Talk:Church of God in Christ/Archive 1

''Archive of discussions through 2011. Note: discusssions may be refactored.''

Sept. 19 Revert
Concerning the revert made on Sep. 19, the prior version had been copied wholesale from the official COGIC website. The source has plenty of good material that could be integrated into the article, however. [Unsigned comment by User:Tijuana Brass]

Perhaps the largest...
African-American church. Can someone who knows better track this down for sure? Marskell 12:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * It is the second largest according to the National Councel of Churches' 2010 website. The Largest African American Church would be the National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc.
 * http://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches/regions/north-america/united-states-of-america/national-baptist-convention-usa-inc.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toneadr (talk • contribs) 18:32, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Inaccuracies
First off, the is some missing information: 1) Elder C.P. Jones was the "presiding elder" and "gen'l overseer" of the work and he was the one who expelled Mason and those who agreed with his pentecostal message.   Mason reorganized the church in 1907 and gained the right to use the name COGIC in 1920's.   C.P. Jones then had to reorganize and rename his church, Church of Christ, Holiness.   2) D.J. Young stayed with C.H. Mason while J.A. Jeter renounced his pentecostal experience. D.J. Young became a bishop in the church and his family opened the first COGIC bookstore. 3) COGIC is governed by a General Board of Bishops when the Gen'l Assembly is not in session (COGIC is episcopal and congregational in gov't, a throw back to it's baptist roots) Bishop Patterson (he doesn't have nor does he refer to himself as Dr) is the presiding bishop of COGIC, an elected 4 yr term (one can be re-elected to office) other Board members include: Bishop Charles E. Blake (West Angeles COGIC), Bishop J.Neaul Haynes (Texas) and others

Second, where is this notion about over-inflating #'s coming from? Can we have some proof?? COGIC is the Largest Black denomination and the largest Pentecostal denomination in North America. COGIC was listed having 3 million in 1972 and had it's population explosion during the 1980's under the leadership of Bishop J.O. Patterson Sr.'''. The only scam with the black church regarding numbers was the National Baptist Convention under the Leadership of The Rev. Dr. Henry Lyons. He was also convicted and jailed for embezzlement. Using a phone book for number of churches is a poor way to refute a churches' stated membership, much less throw allegations at the leadership without any reference to proof. Bishop L.H.Ford (1990-1995) as presiding bishop made the statement of COGIC's membership being @ the 5 million mark.

For more info on COGIC consider the following books: "Bishop C.H. Mason and the Roots of the Church of God in Christ" by the late Bishop Ithiel Clemmons, Pneumalife Publishing 1996 or "This is the Church of God in Christ" by Dr. Bobby Bean, Underground epics Publishing, 2001

I am a 2nd generation member of the church and I reside in Canada. [Unsigned comment by User:198.73.152.99]

Difference between COGIC, Inc and COGIC, Int'l?
Can someone explain the difference and history between COGIC, Inc and COGIC, Int'l? [Unsigned comment by User:207.59.17.194]
 * According to the Association of Religion Data Archives: "The Church of God in Christ, International was founded in 1969 by Bishop Illie L. Jefferson and other former members of the Church of God in Christ." In 1982, it had 200,000 members, 300 churches, and 1,600 clergy. Ltwin (talk) 07:05, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Searching for book: Leaders manual
I am trying to locate a book called Leaders manual with the job descriptions of people working in these auxillaries and how they should be carried out. Please e-mail me at rscarborough20@hotmail.com [Unsigned comment by User:Rscarborough20]

Statement of Faith
How does the Statement of Faith reprinted verbatim add to the encyclopedic value of the article? Are there salient points that could be summarized out of it that wouldn't be redundant to other discussion of doctrine? Additionally, the source of the statement needs identified. —C.Fred (talk) 16:33, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Substantial changes
I've recently made substantial changes to the article. Ltwin (talk) 03:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Logo
Is the logo supossed to be moving? --Abce2 (talk) 21:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Are you asking if other people are seeing it move and trying to make sure you're not the only one? Or are you asking if its violating Wikipedia policy or something? Anyway to answer both, it is moving. I don't know if it is supposed to be or not. It was here when I got here. Ltwin (talk) 00:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hm, the moving logo is awful. Tempshill (talk) 16:24, 19 May 2009 (UTC)