Talk:Church of St Giles, Stoke Poges

Possible use
KJP1 (talk) 22:30, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
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A couple of things
- On the issue of suitably scholarly cites for the churchyard/elegy claim, I get your point absolutely. I've now replaced them with a cite, and quote, from Robert Mack, Gray's most recent biographer. He's a professor at Exeter and it's published by Yale, so the credentials are strong. I hope it meets the need. Where we don't agree is over the image of Mrs Bond's grave. I don't understand why it can't appear in the article? I appreciate that the film prop is no longer at St Giles, but many articles reference and illustrate things that are no longer in their original positions. For example; the articles on the Mausoleum at Halicarnassus, the Parthenon and Xanthos are all illustrated with images of sculpture now located in the British Museum. If the concern is that readers may be confused, I'd be happy to expand on the point to make clear the fictional status of Bond and Mrs B. I'm not so fussed about the DYK, although I think a hook along the lines of "DYK that the fictional spy James Bond visits the grave of his wife at the Church of St Giles, Stoke Poges in the opening sequence of For Your Eyes Only, is actually better than any I suggested, but I would like to retain the image in the article. Can you let me know what you think. KJP1 (talk) 10:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The new source is exactly the sort of thing I had in mind, but I'd be interested to see a fuller excerpt from Mack -- might let us make the article's treatment of the question more smooth. I'll also explain my thinking re the Bond image more fully, but that'll have to wait a day or two. EEng 20:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * No worries - and I’ve got the Mack on order, so should be able to work it up from the Google snippet when it arrives. KJP1 (talk) 05:14, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll be largely incommunicado for about 2 weeks starting this Sunday, so if you haven't got the quote by then let's pick up after that. EEng 17:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Expanded, as the Mack arrived this afternoon, but no rush. KJP1 (talk) 17:42, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Expanded where? All I see in the article is For let us make no mistake, the churchyard of St Giles at Stoke Poges must inevitably and for all practical purposes stand as the churchyard of Gray's Elegy, which I think is what was there before. I'd like to see (here, on this talk page) his larger discussion of the issue. EEng 17:50, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * There is now an entire paragraph on the issue. KJP1 (talk) 18:54, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I've started some article changes I haven't been able to finish, nor explain here, because of an interruption. My apologies, and please have patience. EEng 03:12, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oops, gotta run, might not be able to get back to this for 2 weeks. <b style="color:red;">E</b><b style="color:blue;">Eng</b> 14:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

OK, I'm back from my trip up the Amazon. I'll get back to this presently. <b style="color:red;">E</b><b style="color:blue;">Eng</b> 23:33, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * ...except I caught Covid, so there was slight delay. Better now. Stand by. <b style="color:red;">E</b><b style="color:blue;">Eng</b> 00:24, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

OK, done! I added a source and gave it a light copyedit. Thanks for waiting. <b style="color:red;">E</b><b style="color:blue;">Eng</b> 04:30, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Other claims
Weak on sourcing but the substance seems to be:
 * St Mary's, Everdon, Northamptonshire - TG stayed here when his uncle William Antrobus was rector (1729-44). Claim made by Rev. H Cavalier, based on textual analysis. Can't yet find any RS for this.
 * St Laurence's Church, Upton-cum-Chalvey - again based on textual analysis by William Menzies. This is in the VCH entry (note 3). KJP1 (talk) 09:21, 27 September 2022 (UTC)