Talk:Church of Sweden

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We need here stressing upon the apostolic succession and the Porvoo Churches. - Waelsch 14:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Membership numbers
First, and most easily fixed by someone who can read the source, I think the number of "baptized members" cited in the infobox on the right is incorrect. Not too long ago, almost everyone born in Sweden became a member, regardless of whether they were baptized or not. Second, I think it's really strange to talk about how this is "the biggest church" and all that, without mentioning the reasons. A) It's really not been that long since *everyone* automatically became a member. I don't know when it became legal/possible to renounce your membership, but at least until 1990, in practice all Swedish-born children became members. That's a very effective recruitment strategy... B) A significant fraction of the members are members out of lazyness or for "humanitarian reasons". They haven't opted out either because they're lazy, or because they want to support the Church's work with the poor. They are not really concerned about the religion. C) Only members are guaranteed to be allowed to marry in a church, and for aesthethic reasons, a lot of people do want that, and so remain members until after getting married. 83.209.120.190 (talk) 12:59, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Misleading preamble
The current preamble says "78.3% of Swedes belong to this church." This could give the impression that almost 80% of the swedish population is believing christians. It should be noted in some way that a large majority of the members of the church is not christians and never visits a church. --Battra 11:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Umm, I've heard that 90% of Sweden is atheist. shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.116.205.12 (talk) 19:53, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for fixing this! -- Battra 00:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have added an explanation to the high number of inactive members Entheta 15:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well Battra while it's true that a majority don't attend services very often with the exception of religious ceremonies such as marriages and funerals, to say that they're "not christians", "not believing" and that "they never visits a church" might not be 100% accurate as at the very least there can be no doubt that all members of the holy Church of Sweden are at the very least nominally "Christians in name only". This combined with the fact that a large majority at least occasionally attend church for marriage and funeral services. Not to mention the minor typographical error you made when you wrote "never visits a church" when the typographically correct version is "never visit a church". --69.119.193.192 03:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * "religious ceremonies such as marriages and funerals" ??? I don't see how having a friend who has found the love of his life implies that I believe in the christian god... 83.209.120.190 (talk) 12:59, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Redirect
Why does "Religion in Sweden" lead to this article?
 * That's a good question, since religion in Sweden is not restricted to the Church of Sweden. I removed the redirect and started a new Religion in Sweden article, based on the "Religion" section of the Sweden article. Feel free to help me expanding it! Alarm 17:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, Religion in Sweden should not redirect just to Church of Sweden even though It makes up 90% of Sweden's religious community There are other much smaller religions in Sweden and those deserve some mentioning in an article about Religion in Sweden. --69.119.193.192 17:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Bad shape
The article is not good. The language appears like a bad translation from a Swedish text of inferior quality. The headings are non-standard, f.ex. the refs are confused with footnotes, there are too few citations and links, and there's very little about the theological history of Sweden (bork, bork)! ... said: Rursus (bork²) 06:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This sentence is the worst: "As Gustav Vasa triumphs 3 was formulated..." Does anyone know what it means?  I can't figure it out even in the full context. KarlM (talk) 08:47, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The article is woeful; it doesn't even mention the Uppsala Synod of 1593. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.31.167 (talk) 14:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Dissent from conservatives
The article should really consider looking into whether there has ever been any doctrinal dissent from conservatives within the Church of Sweden, who might feel alienated about decisions surrounding the ordination of women or the blessing of same-sex marriages. It is possible to imagine that if this dissent were not healed, many of these conservatives would consider forming their own ecclesial community, which might be tempted to reunite with the Catholic Church, such as recently seen with the Traditional Anglican Communion. ADM (talk) 15:48, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That could be interesting. I am not aware of any such fractions. Those that dissent from the state church probably dissent to Pentecostalism. Fred-J 20:17, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * These notes are appearing on the talk pages of a number of tenuously relevant articles. We could speculate about whether any number of groups (or elements therein) might possibly take advantage of the apostolic constitution in the near future, but I can assure you that, for instance, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada and the Old Catholic churches are not clamouring for reception. (The former has a liberal Protestant orientation, and the conservative wing is largely "low-church" and uninterested in Rome; the latter's only raison d'etre is its liberal social and moral teaching). The papal bull is aimed at a very specific audience within the Anglican churches. Outside of TAC and the Church of England, there is likely to be little takeup. Carolynparrishfan (talk) 09:59, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Question about the source
I have one question for sweedish wikipedists. Could somebody provide some kind of source of an act, which states that Church of Sweeden is no more state church? It can be in swedish. Thanks in advance.Karpov pl (talk) 11:16, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The legal implementation of the decision to separate the Church of Sweden from the state, was by these two acts: 1998:1951 "Church of Sweden act" and "Act on the introduction of the Church of Sweden act". The latter act annulled a lot of previously existiing acts. Not very palatable text though. A timeline can also be found here. Tomas e (talk) 12:45, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Separation from state
This article needs to elaborate further on the separation from the state in 2000. What was the church's legal status before 2000 and what is it now? How is the church funded and did that change in any way in 2000? Was the link between church and state truly severed or just in a limited de jure sense? --Bjarki (talk) 18:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that the relation between the church of Sweden and Swedish politics (regarding funding for example) should be clarified.Nico (talk) 14:04, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Coördinates
Could some one please pick a better coördinate of where you have the church. It isn't located in Oslo, Norway! :) I guess Uppsala Domkyrka or Stockholms Storkyrka would be a better coördinate. Andjack (talk) 15:59, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, the Uppsala Domkyrka is better. It's where the Archbishop of Uppsala works. The visit adress is Sysslomansgatan 4, Uppsala 100 meter north from the church so I try to change the coordinate to that adress. 59.85928, 17.63208 85.230.75.152 (talk) 14:45, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

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Irrelevant and disputed information on ordinations per saltum
In the section "Ordained ministry", there's this sentence: In the history of Holy Orders direct ordination seems to have been commonplace in the Church before the fourth century, whilst the two systems (direct ordination and sequential ordination) seem to have co-existed in different places, until the eleventh century, when sequential ordination became universally normal and requisite, under Pope Gregory VII (1073-1085).

Now, whether ordinations per saltum were done in the early Church is a controversy, and the cited sources here are not neutral, but in the first place, this sentence is not relevant to the article. This article is about the Church of Sweden, not the early Christian Church. King Pius (talk) 11:06, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Confusing sentences about temperance
"In the 1800s–1900s, the Church of Sweden supported the Swedish government by opposing both emigration and preachers' efforts recommending sobriety (alcoholic beverages are sold in Sweden by a government monopoly). This escalated to a point where its ministers even were persecuted by the church for preaching sobriety". This is confusing (and therefore the text needs to be edited to be clarified - I cannot do so myself because I am not sufficiently sure of what it all means). (1) The period 1800s-1900s is very vague. (2) Why did the Church oppose sobriety? The bit in brackets suggests it's because alcohol sales are a government monopoly and therefore the government, which profits from alcohol sales, doesn't want people to abstain from alcohol. But the article on Systembolaget (the state monopoly) says it was founded in 1955. The period "1800s-1900s", although very vague, gives the impression that the Church opposed sobriety efforts before 1955. What's more, Systembolaget doesn't exactly go out of its way to maximise sales: it only allows customers aged 20 or over, has restricted opening hours, and its stores are full of signage discouraging excess alcohol consumption. (3) Persecuted how? (4) If the government was actively encouraging alcohol consumption in the period before it became a state monopoly (and the article on Systembolaget suggests that the government wasn't doing so!) then again why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.255.189.104 (talk) 21:58, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Confirmation rate
40% as per article is found in the linked source, but seems to be erroneous. This here suggests 25% is more likely: https://www.svenskakyrkan.se/default.aspx?id=1763870 - (40% may be a misreading, by the source, since this number fits with members confirmed rather than citizens) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.233.139.132 (talk) 04:45, 19 November 2023 (UTC)