Talk:Ciarán

Anonymous edits
I just reverted a change, but mistyped "Ciaran Doherty" in my edit summary. I did check the actual spelling in http://www.google.com/, and came up with zip. Although I usually assume good faith, this page seems to get regularly vandalized, for whatever reason. &mdash; Eoghanacht  talk 14:32, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Article name
Although I would prefer to entitle this article "Saint Ciaran" (or a variant spelling) when I started it, I first checked Wikipedia naming standards. The article title should only include "Saint" if the person is only recognisable by its inclusion. Perhaps I am wrong in concluding that Ciarán is recognizable without "Saint", but maybe I am right.

Now, I just moved this article back to "Ciarán" from "St Ciarán" because of the above; plus this Wikipedia site states that "St." and "St" should only be used for non-person articles, such as a hypothetical "St. Kieran's Cathedral, Emerald City".

If, after taking this into consideration, the concensus is to move "Ciarán" to "Saint Ciarán", I will not revert it. &mdash; Eoghanacht  talk 20:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Nope, this is in the right place. -- Pastordavid 23:08, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, this is a disambiguation page for the name Ciaran, not an article on 1 person named Ciaran. I have changed the page to reflect this.  -- Pastordavid 23:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Meaning of Ciarán
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Is there a source (or two) for the meaning of the name Ciarán being "Dark Prince"? I know that 'ciar' gets translated as dark. My understanding is also that "án" is the Old Irish diminutive form. On that basis, I understand the "Little Dark One" meaning, but where then does the idea of "prince" come in to the meaning? Is that an accurate meaning for the name?

Meaning of Ciarán
I believe that it means 'little dark prince' solely on the fact that it is my name and thats what i was told it meant Blacksmith2 08:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Meaning of Ciarán
Um, newbie here. But I'm just curious about the meaning: When it says "little dark one", is that as in "young/small dark one" or "one with little darkness"? Liekos 17:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I believe it to be 'young/small dark one' http://www.ireland-information.com/heraldichall/irishboysnames.htm number 73 and from http://www.ireland-information.com/heraldichall/irishboysnames.htm i quote 'The name Ciara is generally ancient Celtic. It is taken from the old Gaelic word "kir", meaning black (as in the night). The male version of Ciara is Ciaran, which is the early form of Kevin' Blacksmith2 07:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

this also is from the above source. i know its Ciara but hey: '"Ciara: This girls' name is used in English and Irish Gaelic. Its source is ciar, a Gaelic word meaning black.' also note the following page on Ciar :https://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=753794 Blacksmith2 07:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Me again, are we allowed to add the above imformation to this artcle, im not very familiar with citing and resources etc. Ω§|Blacksmith2 02:33, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thanks for responding. :) I was a little confused because it seems odd to name someone like a saint a "dark one". Liekos 20:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Alright, let's clear up the meaning of Ciarán once and for all. The Irish word Ciar, according to my Foclóir Póca (Pocket Dictionary) published by An Gúm, means dark, swarthy. I have always believed that this refered to the color of the person's skin, eyes etc. but not their hair. A person with black hair in Ireland is not particularly noteworthy and would anyway have been refered to as being Dubh (black) eg. Seán Dubh.

The suffix -án is similar to the suffix -ín (-een) and means small. The French suffix -ette used in names like Bernardette has a similar meaning.

So together Ciarán means Little Dark One. The Little Dark Prince thing is a little bit of poetic license and dark haired is just wrong. Will wait for a few days to see if anyone else has an opinion and then I'll change it. Afn 17:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * wait a sec, let me just find my irish book o' names~, i know its in thereBlacksmith2talk 05:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not following the logic on why the dark haired definition is being called "just wrong." Having dark hair in Ireland (are we talking now or when the name was first used?) isn't noteworthy, therefore, it can't mean dark haired? Why couldn't calling someone dark mean they have dark hair? Just because dubh could be used to define hair as black doesn't mean something else couldn't have also --or are you saying you *KNOW* that it doesn't/didn't refer to hair?  I know I've seen it defined as dark-haired (poet and Irish-language guru Ciarán Carson being one source), so...???


 * My understanding of the "little" idea comes from "án" being an Old Irish diminutive form. In other words, án is to Old Irish what adding a "y" or "ie" is in modern English. Dan to Danny. Tom to Tommy, etc. In a literal translation into English, then, Ciarán would be Darky. ...It sounds much better in Irish, no? :-) ...well, that's how I understand it, anyways... Nuclare 18:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Rule?
what is 'It is the rule that Kieran wins the game and no more drawings will be allowed after this.' about?Ω§|Blacksmith2 07:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

pronunciation
three pronunciations are listed, I'm assuming all for English. they are:
 * 1) /kɪˈɛra:n/
 * 2) Kee-uh-rawn, with the 'uh' barely spoken;
 * 3) the name is Anglicised as Kieran, pronounced Kee-ran where the long 'a' of the Irish is shortened

I assume the last two, if English, are and. Can anyone confirm? And is the first supposed to be kee-AIR-ahn? kwami (talk) 08:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Ciaran of the Five Ciarans
If your name is Ciaran or Kieran, which of these five saints is your patron saint? Which one is THE Ciaran? Soczyczi (talk) 20:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Ciaran, Kieran, Kyran, Keiran, Kieren, or Kieron
Given that the title of the article is "Ciarán", should not the first word of the articles be "Ciarán" rather than "Ciaran"? Also, is "Keiran" an actual spelling, or just a (fairly common) mistake? LaFoiblesse (talk) 18:24, 31 March 2008 (GMT)

HTML comment
Can someone correct the typo? Rich Farmbrough, 14:58, 26 October 2010 (UTC).


 * Done. --Thrissel (talk) 21:49, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

How do you pronounce the thing?
Thanks 118.236.201.71 (talk) 07:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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