Talk:Ciara/Archive 2

Minor Mistake
On February 4, 2010, it was announced that the new album is now strictly confidental, and no news will be released until Ciara is ready to make an official announcement about the upcoming album. Plus, Tricky Stewart confirmed that he produced the whole album and that it will be exciting.[15]

should it not say 2010? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.190.107 (talk) 16:44, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Charity
I can't edit this page but someone who can please do it. Ciara has also done alot more charity work. She has recently teamed up with dosomething.org, Staples, and a few others to distribute school supplies to students in New York. —Preceding unsigned comment added by A1hola (talk • contribs) 19:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Arhived
I have archived this page to due excessive size. I also removed many forum-like questions not relevant to the article. Please remember this talk page is only for questions related to the article, not the article subject. Please remember to sign your posts. Spigot Map  18:07, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

LOL

i think there should be a personal life section .. and it should say that she dated bowwow and is affiliated with 50 cent cause thats kinda a big deal, and it should say shes been sued by jassy pha —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.169.20.226 (talk) 15:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

CIARA 's 3rd STUDIO ALBUM + THE SCREAMFEST 07 TOUR???
1. The article about the screamfest 07 tour is not very objective please remove it or edit it. I'm also adding a text about Cs 3rd album. Der Trierer (talk) 16:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

2. I suspect the following may be inaccurate. If it is accurate it needs a source to verify its authenticity and the poster needs to learn how to speak and write English.

Biography
CIARA'S BACKGROUND ciara is of african american heritage. Although many sya she had a sex change, those are just horrible rumors. Template:Unsigned -->

Wording
In the 2003-2005 bit about her album 'Goodies', it's stated: Ciara slowly began production on her second album.. I dunno about other peeps, but the term 'slowly' just struck me as being a bit odd. Is that a proven fact, how slowly etc? Anyone else's views would be welcomed. Also towards the end of the article there's a Wikiquote box related to Ciara, but when I clicked it I was led to an empty page with no quotes. Is it cos it's just been constructed? Cos I don't see the point in saying there's qoutes relating to her when there isn't. Londonsista (talk) 02:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. (NewCiaraFan09 (talk) 15:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

taveon cameron loves ciara

Interlink
Please correct the italian Interlink to Ciara (cantante). --19:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC) Marco

MODEL
Well she models for Rocawear so she is defintly a Model! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.162.10 (talk) 15:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

African American heritage
Why has Ciara's African-American heritage been removed from the categories? it is clear that she is black. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.190.172 (talk) 23:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Ethnicity is not assumed on wikipedia. Her complextion could also pass for Native American. There are several sources that state she is of Creole, Native American, German, and Irish heritage. However, because of were this information is used we can not rely on the website even if the information is true. There have been several times where unregistered users and users have put the exact same thing. It has to be cited that she states that she is African American. All her ethnicity is just as equal as others, and therefore it is wrong to include one and not the other.Mcelite (talk) 02:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Mcelite, you are absolutely wrong. Check this article out: Women in Nigeria. There are somewhat light-skinned women in Nigeria, and other African countries. The women in the photo, especially the third woman from the right, has the exact same complexion Ciara has. And, no indigenous American Indian has her complexion, so you're wrong on that. I've been watching you, and it's clear you have an anti-black bias. You want to give people other ethnicities when both of their parents (Ciara, Vivica A. Fox) are black. Nice try, but, you're wrong, you're an idiot, and you don't know what you are talking about. 209.2.60.98 (talk) 18:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

The African slaves of the new world were taken from the west coast of Africa. The people of west Africa in general have dark complextions. People with light complextion from those areas are also descendents of Europeans, which is well documented. I have no issues with a person's African American heritage at all. It has to be cited bottom line. For Africans that do have light complexions check out the Egyptians, Sudanese, Algerians, Libyans, and even some Ethiopians show variation. However, with most people whom have a light complextion in the United States, and have African descendent are more than likely also of descent of something else as well.Mcelite (talk) 02:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry Mcelite, if you think she could also pass for a Native American then perhaps you have been living underground. No way on Earth, she could ever pass for a Native American. She's clearly black. Norum (talk) 12:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO TAKE THE BLACK OUT OF SOMEONE, THE GIRL IS BLACK.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.208.78.252 (talk) 07:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC) now ciara is making a video for work and like a sugeon

They talking about a totally different Ciara,,,The other Ciara is irish,(which supposevely waz the Ciara that had a sex change back in the 90's). Singer Ciara is black, unless she states shes not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.253.102.70 (talk) 17:04, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

creole is a French colonial term given to Black people that have some euro some native-american ancestry that's really no different from African-Americans everyone knows they also have some euro & N-A admixture too; creole is the French term for African-American! I really don't see no difference between the two other than they were colonized and governed by a different European country a long long time ago if that word is still being used today it's a cultural or historical/local thing mostly associated with Louisiana though ciara is from Austin Texas. In mainstream society I know as heck we don't use these ancient Foreign colonial term but African-American. Also @Mcelite you're such a hypocrite saying an ethnicity is not assumed yet right after you're assuming she could be a Native-American by her complexion??? Look, being Native-American is Not assumed it's a stated Fact you have to be registered to a tribe and acknowledge by the people to be one she doesn't come from a reservation nor a tribe she's Not a Native-American woman and not an Native-American artist. She speaks English not french/creole/whatever, she sings in English she hangs with other African-American artist she clearly has African black origins that makes her African-American. Fact is the so-call creole are part of the African-American race. U.S. Census doesn't even count creole as an ethnicity nor will start listing these foreign colonial terms part of their paperwork. So Yes she should be categorize as African-American.

Associated acts
hey

Associated acts should not be on this article because people will add anyone. I spent many times removing unrelated artists. It is unnecessary. Charmed36 (talk) 16:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You not liking something is not a reason to ignore part of a standard template. If you'd like to see that aspect of the template removed, I would open up a RfC about it.  The associated acts should stay in the article.  Winger84 (talk) 21:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * They will be removed. Charmed36 (talk) 16:31, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * For what reason? XxJoshuaxX (talk) 16:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

These have been removed again. Per Template:Infobox_Musical_artist. This value is only meant for artists who have been a member of a musical act or group. The Bookkeeper  (of the Occult)  04:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Ciara also has a 10 yr. old sister people!!!

Sex and The City: The Movie Soundtrack
Ciara new single Click is on the Sex and the City Movie Soundtrack. I did not see a mention to this on the page. --Kokupa (talk) 12:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Fantasy Ride
Where is the proof that Ciara released a promo single called Ahh in early '08? Did she release it or was it just a leak? It was a leak —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kourtcourt (talk • contribs) 13:05, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Rewriting Page
I think that the Fantasy Ride section should be condensed, especially since there will need to be room for her future albums. I also think that everything thats tedius should be removed, and conflicting arguments should as well. A lot of these articles could be much shorter and should be rewritten as some information is dated. Also, there should be a controversy section. That is where vibe maagazine and possibly sex change should be placed if plausible. Please post comments on this as I won't start without them. Also, post if you would like to participate. Also the stuff in the summary paragraph should only be notable, not list every single and things shes done. --PlannerPenBackpack (talk) 19:16, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Move article?
I'm thinking this article should be moved to Ciara (entertainer), while Ciara (given name) should be moved to Ciara. Considering there are quite a few notable people with the first name Ciara, it shouldn't lead directly here, but to the disambiguation page, as I've listed above. This would also eliminate the need for hatnotes on this article if moved. Thoughts? —  Σ xplicit  21:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Well I would only disagree with the move because when people say Ciara. Majority would assume you are talking about the singer because she is very well liked not only in the U.S. but worldwide. Having the link to other possibilities is a positive thing that can quickly allow a person to find what they are looking for. However, that is a reasonable idea.Mcelite (talk) 02:09, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I did have in mind that when someone thinks of Ciara, they would think the recording artist. I specifically brought this up as I saw Madonna (entertainer) disambiguated. If the we applied the same rule to Madonna's article, it would make sense to have that article as Madonna, correct? —  Σ xplicit  06:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, Ciara (entertainment). 1) I didn't even know who Ciara was until recently, and I wouldn't be surprised if most editors and readers over 25 didn't, either. 2) Wikipedia is not intended to be reorganized as rock stars' popularity rises and falls. 10 years from now, 5 even, there doesn't need to be a debate about whether her popularity has sufficiently fallen for the broader usage of "Ciara" to be most prevalent in searches. 3) Adding a disambiguation page for Ciara won't turn away readers, just cause them to do an extra click...and the Ciara (given name) info is vaguely relevant, and interesting, anyhow. Bet many of the people looking for the singer stop to read it all. Piano non troppo (talk) 09:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

SONY
Please! I've been editing to many artist pages and I can't anymore because i'm not enough powerful. ALL ARTIST WHO HAS A Sony/BMG imprint, THIS NAME IS OBSOLETE! Please write Sony Music Sony/BMG doesn't exists anymore! XilefEniotan (talk) 23:34, 5 May 2009 (EST)

THE MASSACRE TOUR
There's no mention of the Massacre Tour with 50 Cent on this page from 2005 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.114.131.29 (talk) 06:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Part About 'Fantasy Ride' Very Biased
The part about Fantasy Ride has obviously been written by a fan...Ciara's album has flopped...only 1 single has been a small hit and that's due to JT...how the hell can this album be her most succesful overseas when her first album sold 2 million outside of the US and the current album hasnt even sold 200K WORLDWIDE (INCLUDING the US)...rewrite please....Ciara's sales have dropped 4,8 million compared to her debut and 2,8 compared to her last album...

Her album had been confirmed by soundscan to have sold over 225,000 in the U.S., It has also been confirmed by the BPI to have sold 100,000 copies, CRIA has confirmed over a 100,000, in Japan, Aus, France, Germany, & Sweden it has sold near or above 50,000 copies in each so I would say she is definately between the 500,000 and 1,000,000 mark in total it seems as though you have a personal agenda to get it marked down when this is not a play cite for you to play on, this site is meant to be a source of facts that can be accessed for information by anyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.102.128.163 (talk) 21:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC) --84.25.117.15 (talk) 20:50, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Maintenance tags
In concern to this; the article has multiple issues, which is why those tags were placed there. In regards to template, a majority of the article lacks sources. For example, the "2004–2005: Goodies" section is completely unsourced, a large majority of "2006–2007: Ciara: The Evolution", "2008–present: Fantasy Ride", "Modeling for Wilhelmina" and "Acting career" is unsourced. Clearly, the use of the tag in this article is appropriate, as a biography of a living person lacks inline citations. was placed because a lot of the sentences are poorly written, don't follow our manual of style and some even breach WP:NPOV. For example, there are paragraphs that only contain one to two sentences. Clearly not written as a encyclopedia. These tags should remain until these issues are resolved. —  Σ xplicit  01:43, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Edit Request
Ciara is also known for her dance moves, such as her famous "Matrix/Backbend". Ciara has so far put this move in five of her videos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cici23 (talk • contribs) 06:31, 17 August 2009

Not done: Welcome and thanks for sharing that fact. The template requires the request to have a 'Please change X to Y' level of detail for the text you want to add to the article. Also, you should include a verifiable reliable source that supports the claim when you want to insert a fact like this. Celestra (talk) 13:33, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hermaphrodite
A conversation was removed discussing whether she was a hermaphrodite. Unless this was somehow important to her career and to what made her notable -- even if true -- it's irrelevant to an encyclopedia. Wikipedia isn't the place to record what tabloids and gossip columns write. Piano non troppo (talk) 08:59, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree.Mcelite (talk) 18:51, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

No, but wikipedia is the place to document information on whatever subject. Even if it's just speculative, it should still be noted. People go to Wikipedia to learn everything they can about something, both the good and the bad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.250.4.178 (talk) 06:30, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, that's not necessarily the case. We remove speculative unsourced content, per WP:CRYSTAL. Even if it is sourced, the content will be removed as the article is about a biography of living person and can not contain any libel claims. — ξ xplicit  01:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Ciara isnt a hermaphrodite... someone gets on Mediatakeout a little too much. the rumor was dropped back in '05. there IS NO proof that she was a man. - Garcia-Cristian

Voice type
It is speculated that Ciara's voice type is soubrette, which makes the most sense because she has a light high voice and usually sings in the mid to high C range, I believe that her voice type should be included since she is a pretty good singer and for a pop R&b singer! As far as her true range and that is still unknown to many! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.102.128.163 (talk) 22:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Speculation is not something we should add to articles (see WP:BALL). If a secondary reliable source verifies Ciara's voice type, it can be added in the article then. —  Σ  xplicit 22:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Ciara is a soubrette and less Mezzo-Soprano

Pronounciation
Can we get an IP pronounciation of her name please? Stifle (talk) 23:01, 16 March 2010 (UTC) I too believe Ciara is a Soubrette, but her voice does tend to go a bit low, In the song Ride she harmonizes an (A2), in the song Switch she harmonizes a (Bb2), and in the song Click, Flash, she harmonizes a (B2). So i believe she is a Soubrette Mezzo Soprano. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Princepj94 (talk • contribs) 18:41, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from TiaThompsonATL, 11 April 2010
The cover for Ciara's new single, "Ride" was photographed by celebrity photographer, Walid Azami in Los Angeles CA.

TiaThompsonATL (talk) 19:46, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * This is information that is better suited for the article on the single itself. Ham  tech  person  19:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 70.53.123.94, 1 May 2010
editsemiprotected

Ciara is of African-American descent! Why is that not mentioned?

70.53.123.94 (talk) 04:10, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done:If it was wrong, it would have been fixed by now.Spitfire 19 (Talk) 04:50, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

PLEASE CORRECT CIARA'S ETHNICITY
WHY IS THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT CIARA IS AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMPLETELY IGNORED? I THINK THE WRITER OF THIS ARTICLE IS IN DENIAL AND WOULD PREFER TO THINK CLAIM CIARA AS EUROPEAN. KEEP ON DREAMING!! LIKE ANOTHER USER MENTIONED, THERE IS A CLEAR ANTI-BLACK BIAS IN THIS ARTICLE. CLEAN IT UP!

Apparently, Mecelite thinks Ciara is mixed or whatever. According to the pics of her with her parents, she's an african american woman. She might have some european or native american blood, probably from generations ago. Georgia Peachez (talk) 19:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, we don't mention ethnicities in the lead at all unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Mentioning it in the body is OK if properly sourced. In general, ethnicity is a fairly trivial detail about a person.&mdash;Kww(talk) 19:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Ditto, but he/she/it shouldn't remove the category that is so obvious. She/he/it has done it to Queen Latifah, Tameka Cottle, and T.I.. I think you should talk to her/he/it because it's disruptive.Georgia Peachez (talk) 00:42, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

CIARAS ETHNICITY
Ciara is indeed African American, but on her verified twitter account she has once confirmed that she was also part indian and caucasian. Please correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.195.80.92 (talk) 23:19, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ❌ is not a verified source for such details. Plus you didnt even provide the link. But even still no. --Lil-unique1 (talk) 23:40, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 65.34.72.38, 4 August 2010
In the section "Basic Instinct 2010-present", it states that Ciara will be on Ushers new single "Hot Toddy", well that was just speculated and then proven false, when the final version of the single only showed vocals from Jay-Z. So an administrator should remove that false statement.

65.34.72.38 (talk) 18:53, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Dabomb87 (talk) 22:02, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 65.34.72.38, 12 August 2010
I would like to request that the section "2010: Basic Instinct-present" should be updated. In the section is says "Ride" has peaked at number five on the R&B Chart, well the single just hit number three this weak on Billboard. Please update,, thanks :). Plus the same section, looks very sloppy, you guys should try to clean it up but have the same information.

65.34.72.38 (talk) 18:53, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear 65.34.72.38 -
 * Requests to edit semi-protected articles must be accompanied by reference(s) to reliable sources so it appears your request cannot be completed as it now stands. If an appropriate reference can be supplied, then please use another .  By the way, 'you guys' in this case doesn't mean 'someone else', it means 'all Wikipedia editors' with more than 10 edits and four days experience, so it looks like you can now happily qualify to perform and source semi-protected edits yourself.
 * If you have any questions about editing Wikipedia articles, please talk to us and maybe folks there can help you out.
 * Shearonink (talk) 00:36, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Universal Dance & Talent Agency
Shouldnt there be something in this article about UDT? She is the founder and president. Link here: http://www.udtagency.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.78.127 (talk) 01:13, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

ciara the singer has been out since 2003 and is coming back in 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.252.192.248 (talk) 23:41, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 99.137.149.253, 30 January 2011
there is no protection template and there should be one because it is a protected page.

99.137.149.253 (talk) 19:45, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


 * . — ξ xplicit  21:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 76.223.79.146, 6 February 2011
edit semi-protected

The protecton template should only say pp-protected|small=yes, it currently saids pp-protected|expiry=indefinite|small=yes.

76.223.79.146 (talk) 21:13, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. -Atmoz (talk) 00:52, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Image
Could a more flattering and current image be uploaded for the innfo box. The one there doesn't show how she actually looks at all. Please find a more beautiful one. Also, can there be beautiful pictures from the evolution and goodies era as well, especially from goodies, because her hair color was different. --VerySwaggful (talk) 04:24, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if the image is not one of Ciara's best shots. It shows her face and its good quality, and that's what matters. Ozurbanmusic (talk) 05:57, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * N o, I mean come on, you can't obviously say this as good as an image of beyonce or rihanna. Thius one is unflattering, and it doesn't portay hjow she actually looks, because she had braids for like a week. --VerySwaggful (talk) 00:56, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.113.1.107 (talk) 22:41, 22 October 2011 (UTC)