Talk:Cimabue

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Last great painter working in the Byzantine tradition?
"Cimabue is generally regarded as the last great painter working in the Byzantine tradition." Generally regarded by whom? Have these people never heard of Andrei Rublev or Theophanes the Cretan? Perhaps what is meant is, the last great ITALIAN painter working in the Byzantine tradition. At any rate, this statement should be qualified or removed. TheEvilPanda (talk) 02:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Comments
"It is claimed to be a work of Cimabue's old age, and to be the only known portrayal of the Saint by someone whose life overlapped with his, and who perhaps might have seen him." - Francis of Assisi died at 1226, Cimabue is born at 1240. Then, how is possible?--Darsie 06:23, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Cimabue visited the body of Francis while flesh was still on his bones. HOWEVER, X-Rays reveal in addition to the stylistic differences (techniques not yet discovered by artists of Cimabue's time) that an unknown hand clearly touched up the work ages later. 67.82.13.55 14:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

discovering Giotto
I edited it so it states He is also popularly known as the artist who discovered Giotto. The tale that Vasari writes of is so unlikely that I can not stand to see it as stated as truth. 67.82.13.55 14:15, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

removal of Vasari quote
I decided to take out the Vasari quote, since Vasari's personal anecdotes are considered dubious, and really the section only said "he doodled a lot when he was supposed to be studying", which just didn't seem worth the accuracy risk. --JaGa (talk) 12:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Italo-Byzantine
Currently this article links to Byzantine art (piped through "tradition"), but that article says nothing about Byzantinism in western Europe, be it Italy or anywhere else. We need at least an article on Italo-Byzantine art (and architecture?). Srnec (talk) 05:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 11:46, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Evaluation
I found the article titles to be a bit distracting. “Life” “Character” and “Legacy” are generally vague terms, and while the information was relevant, it could be arranged and written in a more linear way. For example, a large header titled: “Life and Artistic Works”, with smaller subtitles such as: Early Years; Major artworks; Other works; Mentorship & Legacy, would make information easier to find and digest. However, dividing information this way would require additional research. I’ve noted additional helpful resources below that can cast light on these missing topics.
 * Is everything in the article relevant to the article topic? Is there anything that distracted you?

One section I found interesting was “Character”. Although out of place and sparse, I found additional information that sheds light on the original claim made in this section.
 * Elements to add?

For example: His nickname, Cenni di Pepo, translates as ‘bull-head’, but also possibly as ‘one who crushes the views of others’, from the latin word cimare, meaning top, shear, and blunt. The conclusion for the second meaning is drawn from similar commentaries on Dante, who was also known "for being contemptuous of criticism".

Additionally, Gibbs also had research that divided his work from early, middle, and late periods of his career.

Sources to look at: Richards, John C. Cimabue http://www.oxfordartonline.com.proxy.lib.duke.edu/subscriber/article/opr/t118/e554?q=cimabue&search=quick&pos=3&_start=1#firsthit

Benefit Dictionary of Artists: (Cimabue) http://www.oxfordartonline.com.proxy.lib.duke.edu/subscriber/article/benezit/B00038398?q=cimabue&search=quick&pos=2&_start=1#firsthit We can only take Vasari's word for it that Cimabue was born in 1240. Could’ve been born between 1240-1250.

Robert Gibbs (Cimabue) *** http://www.oxfordartonline.com.proxy.lib.duke.edu/subscriber/article/grove/art/T017771?q=cimabue&search=quick&pos=1&_start=1#firsthit

Alicemarson (talk) 18:12, 28 January 2017 (UTC)alicemarson

Evaluation
* Is each fact referenced with an appropriate, reliable reference? In this article there are areas in need of proper reference. For instance, the sentence describing Cimabue's crucifixion piece says, "Cimabue's Christ is bent and the clothes have the golden striations introduced by Coppo di Marcovaldo." This mention of Coppo di Marcovaldo needs and citation and further explanation. Additionally, half of a paragraph under the life section, (the sentence beginning with "Other works" and ending in "housed in the Uffizi"), lacks proper citation. This needs citation especially since it claims specific paintings that influenced Giotto but offers not citation to explain how and why.

* Are there viewpoints that are overrepresented, or underrepresented? In the lead section the article states, "According to Italian painter and historian Giorgio Vasari, Cimabue was the teacher of Giotto,[1] the first great artist of the Italian Proto-Renaissance. However, many scholars today tend to discount Vasari's claim, citing earlier sources which suggest this was not the case.[5]" Both of these viewpoints in this article are underrepresented. The article lacks explicit evidence against Vasari's claim, and additionally does not explore the nature of Cimabue's influence on Giotto, due to lack of citation and explanation.

Andrewworkman (talk) 21:29, 11 March 2017 (UTC)Andrewworkman

Comment
There is very little expanding on the lead re his style and influence on later artists. One standard source would be White, John. Art and Architecture in Italy, 1250 to 1400, London, Penguin Books, 1966, 2nd edn 1987 (now Yale History of Art series). ISBN 0140561285. But there are plenty of alternatives. Johnbod (talk) 18:18, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Christ Mocked
It was mentioned on the news today (September 24 2019) that a painting by Cimabue called "Christ Mocked" had been discovered in the kitchen of woman near Paris. If any one can find a reliable source for this, it can go in the article. Vorbee (talk) 09:51, 24 September 2019 (UTC)