Talk:Cincinnati chili/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Calvin999 (talk · contribs) 09:18, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I'm Calvin999 and I am reviewing this nomination. — Calvin999 09:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, ! Great, looking forward to working with you on the review, and thanks so much for reviewing!  valereee (talk) 10:26, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The cheese coney image is making me hungry -_- — Calvin999  10:38, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Two problematic links
 * Replaced the dead link with a new source, but the other one opened for me fine and seems to be good -- but it's still showing up as a connection issue. Do you have any idea why it would open for me but still show as blue?  valereee (talk) 13:23, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Cincinnati chili (or "Cincinnati-style chili") → Cincinnati chili (or "Cincinnati-style chili")
 * ("coneys"), dishes → No need for comma
 * This is literally the only suggestion you made I don't agree with...I believe this is correct as is. But clearly it doesn't read as smoothly as a lead sentence should, or you wouldn't have tripped on it.  I've revised slightly to add 'both' before 'dishes' -- does that fix the problem?


 * souplike → soup-like
 * a bad example → a poor example
 * Each year Cincinnatians → Each year, Cincinnatians
 * (also called "Chili Spaghetti") → Should spaghetti be capitalised?
 * Have you got a source for the bullet pointed "ways"?
 * 15Cincinnati chili → You need a space in-between the citation and the prose
 * The default coney → The original or The standard
 * Some restaurants, among them Skyline[3] and Gold Star,[4] do not use the term "four-way bean," instead using the term "four-way" to denote a three-way plus the customer's choice of onions or beans.

"Ways" are traditionally served in a shallow oval bowl.[5]:243[6]:15Cincinnati chili is also used as a hot dog topping to make a "coney," a regional variation on the Coney Island chili dog, which is topped with grated cheddar cheese to make a "cheese coney." The default coney also includes mustard and chopped onion.[7]

The "Three-way" and the "Cheese Coney" are the most popular orders[6]:10[8] and very few customers order a bowl of plain chili.[9][10] Most chili parlors do not offer plain chili as a regular menu item.[3][4] Oyster crackers are usually served with Cincinnati chili,[5] and a mild hot sauce such as Tabasco is frequently used as an optional topping.[7]

→ I don't think there's a need to split these off; one paragraph would be fine instead of separated.
 * Structurally, I think that Origins and history should go before The "way" system of ordering section.
 * to broaden their → to expand their
 * Besides Empress, Skyline, and Gold Star, there are also smaller chains such as Dixie Chili and Deli and numerous independents including the acclaimed[6]:84 Camp Washington Chili, probably the most well-known of the independents.[6]:84 Other independents include Pleasant Ridge Chili, Blue Ash Chili, Park Chili Parlor, Price Hill Chili, and the Blue Jay Restaurant,[15] in all totalling more than 250 chili parlors.[6]:9

In addition to the chili parlors, some version of Cincinnati chili is commonly served at many local restaurants. Arnold's Bar & Grill, the oldest bar in the city, serves a vegetarian "Cincy Lentils" dish ordered in "ways."[16]

The history of Cincinnati chili shares many factors in common with the apparently independent but simultaneous development of the Coney Island hot dog in other areas of the United States. "Virtually all"[5]:233 were developed by Greek or Macedonian immigrants who passed through Ellis Island as they fled the fallout from the Balkan wars in the first two decades of the twentieth century.

→ Again here, separating into very short one line paragraphs looks messy.
 * Again from a structure point of view, Preparation should go after the History section and before the Ordering section, it seems more logical and chronological.
 * The Preparation section is actually quite small, I reckon this could be merged to the start of the Ordering section.
 * are 1 1/2 to 2 pounds → Use the ½ instead
 * New source gives more specific proportions, so I made a slight change to wording, no need to use 1/2 or ½ valereee (talk) 12:50, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The Reception could be just one paragraph instead of being split up.
 * Can you provide sources for the Similar dishes?
 * Houston Chronicle needs linking in ref 10
 * Paste also needs linking in ref 9

On hold for 7 days, though I doubt you'll need it! — Calvin999 10:59, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Outcome
 * I think I've covered everything you called out. I did have one question about the problematic links, and I tried a different solution to removing the comma in the lead.  Let me know what you think!  valereee (talk) 13:33, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sometimes they can be weird and be fine, other times they are really dead links. Thanks, passing :) — Calvin999  15:11, 28 August 2015 (UTC)