Talk:Cinderella III: A Twist in Time

Cinderella III & literary piracy
Walt Disney, literary piracy

15 Nov 2009 15:40

Fariorz Rowshanekr, the Iranian script writer, has started a weblog revealing the truth about Walt Disney’s literary theft. In this blog, he has published for the public all his corresponding with Walt Disney in pdf format. IBNA: The dramatic news that has spread recently through the press was an assertion based on weighty documentations.

Fariorz Rowshanekr, the Iranian script writer, has started a weblog revealing the truth about Walt Disney’s literary theft. In this blog, he has published for the public all his corresponding with Walt Disney in pdf format.

Also, two complete autopsy pictures of Cinderella III and his spec script, reached Walt Disney 8 year prior to release of Cinderella III, has been placed in his blog.

Fariborz Rowshanfekr told the press: “In October 1999, I sent a letter to Walt Disney, suggesting a new story for Cinderella series.

In this spec script, devil takes the magic wand from the fairy and captures her. Hence, Devil puts Cinderella and the prince in the magic twister of time and returns them to days before their good fortune.”

He added: “I explained to Walt Disney officials the logic for this story as existence of many Cinderellas in this world who never find the chance to meet a fairy or their prince charming.

Hence, it is better to show people their own fairy of perseverance rather than the outside fairy of desire,’ ‘A month later, I received a letter from Walt Disney saying the company’s long established policy does not allow them to accept or review ideas, suggestions, or creative materials not solicited by them or their subsidiaries. The company sent me an application form of many pages that I did not fill it in.”

“After a while, a person from Walt Disney called me and said my story was poetic and fascinating, but the company is not interested to make another Cinderella cartoon as it is a holy figure of the company. Interestingly, he tried to persuade me to apply for a job in Walt Disney that was none of my interest and I tired to forget everything,” Rowshanfekr continued. “Three years later, Cinderella II was released that was not related to my original story. However, I remembered those words about the termination of Cinderella for Walt Disney and their decision of not making another cartoon for it.”

The script writer added: “After a few years, one of my translator friends congratulated me on Cinderella III release, as he knew about my spec script on Cinderella story. He said: “Congratulations! They stole your story without even one change in dramatic structure.”

To answer the question if all the documents are placed in his blog Rowshanfekr said: “As my lawyers recommended, I did not place all documentations in my blog. The rest of them are to be presented to the court of law.”

The script writer, also, has sent his gravamen to World Intellectual Property Organization, writers Guild of America, and American Court of Justice to claim his legal right.

Additionally, Rowshanfekr handed a copy of his documentations to Farhad Tohidi, the head of Iranian screen writers, before his visit to Oscar Academy. Rowshanfekr mentioned that Tohidi examined the documentations and promised to help as these evidences were strong enough to claim Rowshanfekr’s right.

In Iranian commission’s meeting with Oscar Academy officials, Rowshanfer’s legal documentations shocked the American panel. Fortunately, they introduced a person to Iranian commission who could give juridical advice on this issue.

Rowshanfekr would like to ask all liberal members of cinema, especially script writers, around the world to visit his blog and check the documentations.

It is not just about Mr. Rowshanfekr, it is about all script writers.

If you type in Google browser for “literary theft & Walt Disney” in Persian language, you can find the news about Walt Disney’s literary theft from Fariborz Rowshanekr – an Iranian scriptwriter- as one of the most prominent national headlines.

For more details log on to http://cinderellaiii.blogsky.com

Credits question
The Wikipedia article credits Steve Bencich and Ron J. Friedman as writers on this film, but IMDb doesn't. Is IMDb wrong, or are we? If it's IMDb, could we have a citation for Bencich and Friedman's work on this film? Thanks. Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 21:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

IMDb isn't always right, as I have found out in the recent years.But it might be best to leave it out for the time being. JakeTheBlake 22:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Goofs
I've removed the lengthy list of Goofs in accordance with wiki policy. (See WP:TRIV) I've saved them here in case anyone wants to submit them to IMDB, which does allow goof listings. Annie D 00:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Manny H88 (talk • contribs) 02:11, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The magic wand brings out green (instead of white) magic dust when used by Lady Tremaine or Drizella (but not when it is used by the not-so-wicked and sympathetic Anastasia), though this could be a visual representation of "dark magic".
 * During "A Perfectly Perfect Year" Drizella's apron disappeared while singing "...or even tea." And both Drizella and Anastasia's aprons disappear after they get the laundry off themselves.
 * After Anastasia gets thrown out of the house, she stands up to see Cinderella and the Prince riding by on horses and she walks forward. During this her apron disappears and reappears between several shots.
 * After Anastasia gets the wand Drizella is seen cutting tree pieces with an axe which gets stuck. After pulling out the handle the axe's head is pointing opposite of the house. But in the wand fight the axe's head is turned 90 degrees pointing either the chair's back or the Fairy Godmother and Anastasia.
 * While Lady Tremaine was reversing time, the brief glimpse of the wedding shows the Prince wearing a white groom outfit which is different from the wedding from the first movie where he's wearing a yellow and red outfit.
 * Jaq and Gus get the key at the wrong time compared to the first. In the first movie, Jaq and Gus get the key AFTER the Grand Duke comes. But after time reverses, the Grand Duke comes right after the mice are on their way to the stairs.
 * During the reversal of time at the scene, where Cinderella is holding the slipper her hair is in a bow when it's suppose to be loose.
 * When Anastasia was trying on the slipper, it barely fits on her big toe, but in the original it fit over all of her toes.
 * When the slipper is falling it is about to be broken with the heel in the front. But in the crash the heel and the front of the slipper have switched places.
 * When Tremaine breaks Cinderella's glass slipper the front and the heel do not get broken or cracked. But when Jaq presents the put-back-together slipper to the prince we can see cracks on them. And when the prince puts the slipper down to go find Cinderella the heel does not appear broken at all.
 * While Cinderella is singing she connects the two halves of the slipper's heart together. But the heart appears to be too close over the slipper's edge.
 * On the back of the DVD case, it shows Cinderella with Drizella and Tremaine when Tremaine was turning back time, although in the movie Cinderella was celebrating her anniversary in the forest.
 * In the first movie, the king saw Cinderella before he got out, and obviously the Grand Duke, but neither, even when they're not under magic, don't recognize that Anastasia is not Cinderella. What makes the least sense is that the king even made a face at Anastasia at the ball.
 * After Anastasia gets done chasing the ring down after it bounces around the room, she puts it on her left hand. Later in the same scene, Anastasia is seen walking admiring the ring, which is now on her right hand.
 * After Anastasia is seen admiring the ring, the ring is no longer on her hand throughout the rest of the movie
 * When Drizella is tampering with the wand in order to make herself beautiful (a prettier hair style, bracelets containing jewelry, a rainbow dress with jewelry, and a gigantic crown), she was able to use it without saying Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo. When Cinderella's evil stepmother makes Cinderella disappear into a pumpkin, she didn't need to say Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo either.
 * When Jaq and Gus take the wand from the dresser, the tip of the wand is pointing forward. When they run out through the door it is pointing backwards and stays that way.
 * When Cinderella is running away from the guards, there is a shot looking down the stairs that shows a cement structure sticking out of the top of the end baluster of the rails. Later when Cinderella slides down the stairs it is not there.
 * While the shrunken Lucifer is attacking Gus, red pieces appear to be tearing off his shirt. And when the attack ends his and Jaq's shirts appear to be in perfect condition like nothing has happened.
 * When Cinderella gets on the boat, the sky is dark and cloudy. When the Prince is seen on his horse riding into a wooden house/storage to reach the boat the horse's point-of-view sees the sun shining inside the room. In the next shot when the prince is flying out the balcony door, the sky is dark and cloudy again, with no sun being seen only until he reaches Cinderella.
 * In the sequence where Cinderella is back at the castle and explaining to the King and Duke what Lady Tremaine did, her hair changes from being loose, to tied up in a bow, and back to being loose.
 * In the first film, Cinderella wore a black choker with her wedding dress. In this film, the brief flashback at the beginning to the wedding the choker is still there, but for the rest of the film, it is absent.
 * Cinderella's wedding dress has been slightly altered, the skirt in the original was a pale grey, but white in this movie, her hair was in a low bun (also kept while wearing the wedding dress) but when in her rags during the pumpkin sequence her hair has changed to a top bun like her blue/grey ballgown.
 * In the scene where Tremaine and Drizella are turned back into human, there is a cut on both aprons that they are wearing, but when Drizella gets "frightened" by the broom, the cut on her apron disappears.
 * In the first film, the king is the one who sent out the order to find the Cinderella by having every girl in the kingdom try on the slipper.

Edit request on 26 July 2013
I am interested in expanding on the implications of time travel in Cinderella III: A Twist in Time, specifically on how the fairy godmother is involved in the alternate timeline. I would like to add a section to this page; below is the draft of the section I'd like to add.

Cinderella III Alternate Timeline Consequences

After finishing Cinderella III: Twist in Time, my sister Fiona and I both asked the question: What happened to the fairy godmother? If she was turned to stone in the original timeline, then shouldn't the alternate one be completely messed up somehow? So we made some diagrams to make this a little clearer. We can boil down each timeline into 3 significant parts. In the original timeline, the significant parts (at least in relation to the time twist in the third movie) are the Fairy Intervention, Cinderella Fits the Slipper (which is screwed up in the alternate timeline), and the Time Twist itself. In the Alternate Timeline, the Fairy had already helped Cinderella, effectively eliminating her from the picture anyway, since the only thing she did after that was show up at the wedding. This is fortunate, because she isn't there when Cinderella watches the slipper fit Anastasia, as that would have messed up everything. So, the 3 most important parts in the Alternate timeline are: the Fairy Intervention, the Anastasia slipper wearing, and the end where Everyone Gets What they Deserve. Lets break that down into simpler timelines. In the original timeline, A leads to B, which ends up in Cinderella's marriage. That leads to the vengeful stepmother creating C, which reversed Cinderella's past to just before point B, which then changed to point D. Remember, the Stepmother reversed time to when Cinderella would have put on the slipper and been proclaimed princess. This means that the fairy godmother has already played her significant part in Cinderella's tale, and isn't seen again 'til the wedding. Since the Stepmother and "evil" stepsisters didn't encounter copies of themselves when they transported into the alternate timeline, we can only assume that the Fairy Godmother wouldn't have either, and since she shows up later in the movie (around E) we can assume that she was also transported into the alternate timeline, if at a different place. This would mean that from point D, the Fairy Godmother as we knew her in the original timeline ceased to exist and was replaced with the one encased in stone. Eventually, someone found the statue and thought to move it into the throne room where Anastasia would marry the prince. Or perhaps it just appeared in the room and no one thought anything of it.

Sabrinarucker (talk) 23:38, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting and all, but it sounds pretty much like original research, which isn't allowed on wikipedia. (WP:NOR) I checked the articles of a couple of other films with time travel and they don't provide detailed explanations for the time travel mechanics other than than what's depicted in the plot and put in the summary. There was one, though, Primer that provided a timeline graph like yours, so that might be permissible, though my own feeling is that it won't, because films like Back to the Future and Looper, which are more similar to Cinderella III, don't rely on graphs despite their mechanisms being more often discussed off-wikipedia. Any other editors want to chip in? AD (talk) 04:09, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Not done: Please read WP:FORUM. That is an interesting idea, but this is not the right place to share it. You might want to try the fan boards. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 04:21, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

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Anastasias role
The absolutely most interesting thing with this movie is the development of Cinderellas younger stepsister who finally succeds to break away from her mothers domination and go better ways.In the beginning Anastasia does Not run away to avoid work; She is thrown out of the house during a fight with her sister. It may well be part of lady tremaines ruler- techniques to play her daughters out against each other. One of the funniest scenes is when Anastasia is supposed to dance with the prince and demonstrates that se has two left-feet. The king however finds Anastasias attempts rather touching. He is another character and character-role who is somewhat developed and deepened in this movie. The following scene with the king and Anastasia is perhaps the most important in the film.He lectures her about True love. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.130.31.203 (talk) 08:19, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Anastasias role
The absolutely most interesting thing with this movie is the development of Cinderellas younger stepsister who finally succeds to break away from her mothers domination and go better ways.In the beginning Anastasia does Not run away to avoid work; She is thrown out of the house during a fight with her sister. It may well be part of lady tremaines ruler- techniques to play her daughters out against each other. One of the funniest scenes is when Anastasia is supposed to dance with the prince and demonstrates that se has two left-feet. The king however finds Anastasias attempts rather touching. He is another character and character-role who is somewhat developed and deepened in this movie. The following scene with the king and Anastasia is perhaps the most important in the film.He lectures her about True love. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.130.31.203 (talk) 08:20, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Off-topic chat
No point in having two completely alike stepsisters.

I must say that I can see no point in having two stepsisters if there is no real difference between them and their roles. Having one good and one bad is quite right. Also cinderella is often - and with some reason - critizized for being a meek and passive female character. A tougher and more feisty but basically good stepsister might make up for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.130.31.203 (talk) 7:49 am, 12 September 2017, Tuesday (7 months, 1 day ago) (UTC−4)


 * This article talk page is for discussing improvements to the article, not for general discussion of the article's topic. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 12:42, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Cinderella and Anastasia's Relationship
I felt the need to include Cinderella witnessing Anastasia refusing to marry the Prince, Cinderella protecting Anastasia from Lady Tremaine when she attempts to get revenge on her daughter for not going through with her plan, and finally, the subsequent reconciliation between the two when Anastasia reverted to her original form, as the articled did not include this prior to my edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CyberJudoon (talk • contribs) 21:06, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2019
Change the wording of this line "The king orders his guards to seize Lady Tremaine. In a fit of lust and with no fear, Lady Tremaine immediately uses the wand and turns them all into various animals as they all lunge for her, so they can't get to her, while Drizella tells her to turn Anastasia into a toad." to 'The king order his guards to seize Lady Tremaine who uses the wand to turn the guards into animals.' 2604:3D08:757F:FC3A:FD94:F3A0:6B77:903E (talk) 17:04, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 17:35, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2023
37.26.83.179 (talk) 14:13, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Please specify what change you want to make. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:30, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Information
I like to change the run time to 74 minutes Super Chow58 (talk) 12:21, 17 October 2023 (UTC)