Talk:Cinema of Australia/Archives/2012

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I've changed the first part of this essay to indicate that there was an Australian film industry before 1970, thus suggesting that the industry is subject to economic imperatives that continue to plague, and sometimes assist, the industry. --Armeisen 06:01, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Does Mel Gibson really count? He's American-born. --Brion VIBBER
 * Well, he got his start in Australian film. -- Zoe


 * And gained fame in the US in the dubbed-into-American Mad Max. I'm gonna have to track down the DVD version sometime, it's got the original Strine dialogue track! Okay, if we can put in Mel, we can put in Hugo Weaving too (born in Nigeria). --Brion VIBBER
 * And Nicole Kidman, born in Hawaii, and Russell Crowe, born in New Zealand. :-) -- Zoe


 * Heh heh... well, Claudia Black at least is a native-born Ozzie; they must have a few more in the country! --Brion VIBBER


 * 28% of adults residing in Australia weren't born in Australia. It's not that surprising.  --Robert Merkel

Actors I don't know about, but is Nic Roeg really an Aussie? He was born in England, and his best known stuff is English. Maybe you know something I don't, though (seems everybody's Australian these days ;-)) --Camembert


 * I presume he's there on account of Walkabout, but yeah that may not be entirely appropriate. --Brion VIBBER


 * Next I'll be reading that the Bee Gees are an Australian band!!! :) -- sugarfish 05:25, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)


 * Don't agree with the criteria used for the above arguments. Arnold Schwarzenegger was born in Austria. Yet he is governor of California. The criteria should be whether they have sweared an oath of allegiance to a country or gained citizenship of that country. For instance I was born outside of Australia yet I call myself Australian and hold a citizenship certificate. If someone can produce research on Mel Gibson that he is an American citizen or Australia citizen or that he holds one or dual passports, that would be more convincing than using place of birth as criteria.

Does They're a Weird Mob count as Australian? It was filmed in Australia with a mainly Australian cast and backed with mainly Australian money but it had an English director and the male lead was Italian. And if it does count as Australian, does it count as a "Notable film"? SteveCrook 20:50, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)


 * And what about Age of Consent as well? SteveCrook 04:38, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC

If They're a Weird Mob is not an Australian film, what could it possibly be? The problem now is that even Hollywood films are globalised. The studios are owned by companies from overseas, the stars are often from outside the US, and the narratives are not necessarily American. If films are funded by Australian agencies, such as the Film Finance Corporation, the Australian Film Commission, or one of the state funding agencies such as the South Australian Film Commission, they have to show that creative control resides in Australia, or that a significant element of the film is Australian. Thus, Peter Weir's Green Card was funded by an Australian agency, because Peter Weir is Australian, but the film had nothing to do with Australia beyond that. The question of which film is Australian (or any 'national cinema') is interesting and complex. --Armeisen 08:00, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Two Hands isn't on anywhere on the page. It gave Heath Ledger his first major role and was pretty successful in Australia. I think it should at least be added to Australian films and maybe notable films.I like Radiohead 12:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added it to Films made in Australia. I like Radiohead 12:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

The date that the Limelight Department began film production was 1897. In August of that month, Major Joseph Perry set up the unit to document and describe the work of the Army. Armeisen (talk) 20:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Literature
I've divided the references into two sections to differentiate reference texts from others. Further subsections could be added later as the list grows. A person coming to Wikipedia looking for information about Australian cinema needs to know where they can find further information on the films, themes, and so on. **Armeisen 02:28, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Notable films
At the moment, it seems like any film at all is being suggested as 'notable'. I propose that, for a film to be included here, it should meet one or more of these criteria:


 * The film is important because it is the first of a new genre of films in Australia. Thus Picnic at Hanging Rock is the first of a new genre.
 * The film is a significant example of a particular genre.
 * The film won a prize at the AFI awards, or some other prize elsewhere.
 * The film is notable because its subject matter is significant.
 * The film is one of the top one hundred films at the Australian box office.
 * The film is one of the top fifty films at the U.S. box office.
 * The film is the first of a significant director.

How should these criteria be applied? As contributors, we should be able to make non-biased judgments about what films should be included under these criteria. **Armeisen 23:52, 9 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I started to expand the most notable of the notable. I think it would be better to have some short paragraphs rather than just lists. Astrokey44 05:38, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

government support
I've added this section to this page and will expand this as time permits. Further, I hope to add other sections to more fully cover the Australian film industry. Again over time, I would like to have a different page for films, linked of course to this. The page Errol Vieth/Australian cinema indicates the direction I am taking. Comments are welcome. Errol Vieth 04:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Wolf Creek
I'm not sure if this has been brought up before, but I really think Wolf Creek should be one of the Notable Films. It's receieved world-wide critique and Tarantino himself has publically announced his approval of the film. Satchfan 02:29, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

A little pathetic
The article is quite depressing since we can pretty much fit all of Australia's 'notable films' onto a single page. The same goes for Australian television. Htra0497 16:42, 18 October 2006 (AET)

Jane Campion
Since when was Jane Campion an Australian? --Arguss 01:42, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Forgive those on the other side of the world to whom Australia & New Zealand merge into one distant land :) You can always remove her from the list of Australian directors or note that she's listed as an Australian director but is really a New Zealander although she's mainly worked on Australian films -- SteveCrook 10:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Although Jane Campion was born in New Zealand, she was in the first class at the newly established Australian Film, Television and Radio School. The Piano was funded by Australian and New Zealand grants, and won Australian awards. So whilst Jane Campion is not an Australian, she has pretty well adopted the country. Armeisen (talk) 20:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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History
I've added the citations as required, and more about the volume of production in the early decades. Armeisen (talk) 20:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I've removed the introductory comment about Australian cinema being likened to a barbie doll. It doesn't mean anything in an entry that is supposed to be about Australian cinema. And entries do not contain smilies.Armeisen (talk) 05:03, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Some additions have been made to the article on Australian cinema, specifically about the changes that occurred in the early 1900s in the Australian film industry. Is there are reference for this information? If not, it will need to be deleted. Armeisen (talk) 05:14, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

With reference to the last paragraph of "...1910's". Please see WP:V. References have to be reliable sources. The clip of the film is not a reliable source, according to Wikipedia policy. I will delete this paragraph if we can find no better source. Armeisen (talk) 02:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

What you have added is similar to the paragraph before. If you can find a better reference for the paragraph, it would be possible to rewrite the two paragraphs so that they complimented each other. Armeisen (talk) 02:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Headline text
I've undone the "FUDGE LANE" words. They mean nothing and could be regarded as vandalising. Please see WP:VAN. Armeisen (talk) 02:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

1.1 The 1910's
I've removed the "was gaaaaaaaay" from the heading, and from the text. Errol V (talk) 11:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

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Copyright tag
The excesive use of copyright tag has been in the article for some time. I have tried to review some of it. Howver, there is no indication as to which material is being of concern and in which specific way. I suggest that if no specific passages are challenged then the tag should be removed. Ewawer (talk) 09:38, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Mad Max
Just changed the work "pre-apocalyptic" to "post-apocalyptic". Errol Vieth 03:51, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Why is there almost no mention of the Mad Max films in this article? Nov 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.103.38.51 (talk) 00:10, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Because you haven't added any. We were waiting for you to do it :)  -- SteveCrook (talk) 01:20, 14 November 2012 (UTC)