Talk:Ciomadul

Ciomadul->Ciomad Mountains name change
Just out of curiosity, why was this renamed to Ciomad Mountains? As far as I can tell "Ciomadul" is far more common. Although it reminds me that I need to apply this alternative name as well, so [link]. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 18:44, 18 June 2022 (UTC)


 * -ul is a definite article in Romanian, in this case its use is not warranted in the article title.[]. P12k (talk) 19:08, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * That's for the article titles in English. Where do we apply this to non-English article suffixes? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:55, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The definite article carries out essentially the same function in all languages, so the English Wikipedia naming convention standard applies to non-English articles as well. P12k (talk) 18:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This isn't a non-English article, though. It's an English article about a non-English location that is primarily rendered as "Ciomadul", and at Article titles it's said that we use the most common English formulation. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:46, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 1 April 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

Ciomad → Ciomadul – From what I can see, "Ciomadul" is a far more common name than "Ciomad" in English. And there is nothing in WP:Article titles that suggest that being grammatically correct in a foreign language has priority over being the more common term in English. Besides, the Romanian article is ro:Masivul Ciomatu - Puturosu and the Hungarian one hu:Csomád-hegység, neither says "Ciomad". Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:34, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. I am not sure however why do you imply that Ciomadul would be gramatically incorrect. "Ciomadul" is simply "The Ciomad"; as there is one single Ciomad, it is not surprising it has become the most common form. This happens often with Romanian geographical features. Still I personally would see an attempt of adopting a grammatically incorrect title in another language as a pretty ignorant sign of disrespect, no matter what the policies say, and I'd expect it to at least be taken into consideration in a move discussion. Fortunately that's not the case here. Super   Ψ   Dro  21:10, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That's only because someone above said that it was grammatically inaccurate. I don't know anything about Romanian or Hungarian so I have to go with what other people say about them. But if it's not in fact grammatically inaccurate, then it's another argument for restoring the old name I guess. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:52, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The Romanian "Ciomad" and the Hungarian "Csomád" are cross-language homophones. "Ciomadul" is not grammatically inaccurate, however, it would go against the Wikipedia naming convention standard. Naming this article "Ciomadul" would be like naming the "Grand Canyon" article "The Grand Canyon" and you wouldn't do that, would you? P12k (talk) 23:41, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: This reminds me of the Spanish and English names for Teide volcano in Tenerife. The Spanish name is 'El Teide" (word-for-word English translation would be "The Teide") but in English "Teide" or "Mount Teide" is used, not "The Teide". The Spanish Wikipedia article es:Teide has the article title as "Teide" but the article body text uses "El Teide" (except when it refers occasionally to the volcanic complex of Teide and its adjacent volcano Pico Viejo as "complejo volcánico Teide-Pico Viejo"). See also the English Wikipedia article about the German volcano Kaiserstuhl (Baden-Württemberg) - its article title omits the definite article but the article body text uses "the Kaiserstuhl".  GeoWriter (talk) 17:14, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. --Nagsb (talk) 08:31, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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