Talk:City College of San Francisco

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Why does it state that CCSF "is a two-year community college"? This perpetuates a myth that California Community Colleges are meant to be get in and get out degree mills, when the California Masterplan for Higher Education defines community colleges as institutions of lifelong learning for their greater communities? !KC! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.110.213.81 (talk) 11:58, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Old, untitled discussions
Someone put back notable alumni. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.170.143 (talk) 20:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

The community college district is, as far as I can tell, completely independent from SFUSD. I don't know why that statement was included in the initial version of the article. (My latest edit has fixed it.) -- Beland 03:04, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

CCSF Student Activities Organizations and Clubs updated as indicated by the Associated Students Council. -- rasax 15 November 2005.

Editing and formatting changes made. Campus Information updated with source citations. The mention for clean up was left remaining until incomplete areas are updated, indicated with the *Under Construction...* notation. I'll try to follow up more soon and hope the changes meet most viewer's satisfaction. -- rasax ~21:20, 16 November 2005

Additional formatting, links, and updates added. -- rasax ~ 04:10, 17 November 2005

Acedemic leadership section cleanup
I added an infobox and cleaned up the "Acedemic leadership" section. A lot of the information in the later sections looks superfluous (e.g., the college's budget and the lists of presidents and chancellors). 22:23, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Nice job, Matthew. You're right about the additional sections. They were started as a base to build from when I was collecting basic info about the college. Most of it wasn't intended to be more than a mention of CCSF's academic history and successes. Time has been limited on my end and I was hoping what was there would inspire other editors to contribute to it. And, kudos to the individual who added the pictures and logo. I was about to head over and take some of my own shots if we couldn't get some. Cheers! Rasax 20:48, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Too many subheadings
I think that there are too many subheadings, which makes this article choppy. Is it possible to integrate the various subtopics? I think that there should be no less than 6 lines of text under each bold heading. And is it possible to combine various topics? For example, the last subheading "Of special note" is unnecessary because it contains only a single sentence; I think this sentence about Diego Rivera's mural should be placed in the end of the introductory paragraph, as this information fits in with what City College features, like panoramic views and such.

Should I go ahead and make these changes?--Bloody rox 16:01, 27 June 2006 (UTC)Bloody Rox

Picture
I'd like to add a picture soon of the Benjamin Bufano statue out in front. There is a almost indentical statue out at Mondavi wineries.

Check out the picture on the Mondavi wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.233.160 (talk • contribs) 04:53, 22 March 2007‎ (UTC)


 * The proper spelling is Beniamino Bufano. If you are going to post a picture, make sure it is a non copyrighted picture.  Do you have a wikipedia account?  I notice that you do not sign your posts on the Mondavi discussion page.Christopher Tanner, CCC 07:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC) tanner-christopher

Slight updates made
Added additional campus locations (Fort Mason, Adult Learning & Tutorial Center)and CCSF official links.

Change to the GLBT section
I've removed the rather cumbersome acronym of LGBTTQQIWTFBBQ or whatever it was and just replaced it with Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender. That acronym is so obscure and burdensome someone felt the need to define it in the subheading. In my opinion, if an acronym is that obscure that 1). it requires in-line numeration and 2). does not have a wikipedia article it should not be used. I understand and appreciate the sentiment to include every conceivable sexual preference/orientation/fetish/practice outside of vanilla heterosexuality but if it's destroying the readability of the article it must be excised. Robotempire 13:40, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Article formatting
This article looks like it has outdated data/figures in addition to no proper inline citation. The reference section is more of a external links jumble. I'll see if I can work on it when I get a chance.  - Jameson L. Tai  talk  ♦  contribs   23:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

History?
"One of the huge problems that city college is facing is the budget cut. ..." etc. should realyl be its own "controversy" or "funding cut" section, not "History".

Or at very least, not the FIRST THING in the History section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.11.1.218 (talk) 20:52, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Recent problematic edits
I'm not trying to own this article or prevent others from improving it but there have been a rash of very low-quality edits in the past couple of days that I have reverted to maintain the quality of this article. Many of the edits didn't use proper grammar, were incomplete, added unnecessary information, or lacked supporting sources. This is an encyclopedia used by millions of people, not a grade school project. We welcome your help in improving this article but please ensure your additions use correct grammar, add useful content (the content guidelines for college and university articles may be informative), and use reliable sources. If you need help, please post here in Talk! ElKevbo (talk) 01:32, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Kevbo is correct, those edits were inappropriate.--GrapedApe (talk) 04:04, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It is going on again at this moment. I have been reverting really, well, stupid edits for the past hour. Gtwfan52 (talk) 08:53, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Page protected
The article is now semi-protected. Regular editors please do what  you  can to  clean out  any  residual  nonsense. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:29, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I would ask that an administrator fully protect this article and stub it so experienced editors can rescue it from the mass destruction it has gotten in the past 30-40 days. Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:37, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It doesn't need to be stubbed, just reverted back to this version if intervening edits are unsalvageable (which they aren't - yet). It would be ideal if we could identify the class or group that has decided to focus on this article as a project so we could try to reach out to them.  But if that isn't possible then full protection may be necessary to stave off the unrelenting assault of good-faith but extremely poorly-written and often poorly-sourced edits plaguing the article.  I've just left a message for the last several editors asking them to stop by Talk so maybe we'll get a response for one of them here.
 * If that doesn't work, would it be possible to edit the header that appears when someone edits the article? I believe that is possible but I don't remember any of the details.  That may be a good intermediate step before we ask for the article to be fully protected (which may not be done depending on which administrator is asked). ElKevbo (talk) 05:54, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * At this point, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง has fully protected it for 24 hours and reverted it back to the last edit I made yesterday. I don't have much more time tonite, but most of what I think needs done is in the line of cruft removal and unifying some things (like putting addresses instead of vague descriptions to the campus location list.) Gtwfan52 (talk) 06:08, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 September 2012
Please open the edit page. We need to add more inforamtion to make more people know City College of San Francisco.

71.204.148.55 (talk) 06:20, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * What specific information in this article needs to be edited? Many new editors have recently been editing the article and their edits have been very problematic: very poor grammar, unsourced information, unnecessary information, deletion of sourced and relevant information, etc.  And all of those edits were made without any attempt to communicate with other Wikipedia editors even after we expressed concerns and offered assistance.
 * Can you please help us understand what is happening? ElKevbo (talk) 06:33, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request -- Campuses

 * Airport Campus, San Francisco International Airport, Bldg. 928
 * Castro Campus, 450 Church Street
 * Chinatown/North Beach Campus, 808 Kearny Street
 * Civic Center/Alemany Campus, 750 Eddy Street
 * Downtown Campus, 88 4th Street
 * Evans Campus, 1400 Evans Avenue
 * Fort Mason Center, Fort Mason Center, 1934-Bldg. B
 * Gough Street Site, 31-33 Gough Street
 * John Adams Campus, 1860 Hayes Street
 * Mission Campus, 1125 Valencia Street
 * Ocean Campus, 50 Phelan Avenue
 * Southeast Campus, 1800 Oakdale Avenue

Replace current campus list with this please. Gtwfan52 (talk) 06:30, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request -- Campus Life women
Please remove 1st line of this section as copyvio  Thanks. Use your discretion on the rest of that subsection. Gtwfan52 (talk) 06:48, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Padlock-silver-slash2.svg Not done: This page is no longer protected. Subject to consensus, you should be able to edit it yourself. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:13, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Recentism
This seems to be getting some grassroots coverage, e.g. mentioned by UAW 2865 in a recent email to members. I came to Wikipedia to see what was going on. But the amount of recentism in the leading section of the article made me question the credibility of the coverage, especially the lack of detail/debate about what is going on. I looked back a bit in the edit history and it didn't look like vandalism - apparently the page has naturally evolved to its current state. Nevertheless, what is presently here doesn't read like a good Wikipedia article. I hope the active editors can make it better. 138.23.232.237 (talk) 00:53, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The lead does need some work but most of the material can just be moved to the body of the article where it will be fine. Some of it can be trimmed and some of it is already in the body of the article, though, so it would mostly entail simply removing it from the lead.  Feel free to take a whack at it!  ElKevbo (talk) 05:09, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

More Qualifiers Needed In Size Statement?
Currently this article includes the statement "CCSF is the largest junior and community college and the second largest collegiate institution overall in the United States". In the Wikipedia articles which provide various college rankings by size, CCSF is large, making the top 20, but is no where near the largest in terms of enrollees (regardless of whether non-credit students are included).Penelope Gordon (talk) 10:55, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Ranking among colleges
I removed one sentence: because the same website has the page Top Largest Colleges & Universities, which lists 13 colleges in the United States with more enrolled students than San Francisco City College: Miami Dade College (B), Houston Community College System (A), Lone Star College–Montgomery (A), Tarrant County College (A), Northern Virginia Community College (A), Austin Community College District (A), College of Southern Nevada (B), Valencia College (B), Broward College (B), Pima Community College (A), East Los Angeles College (A), Salt Lake Community College (A), American River College (A). (A=offers no degree higher than Associate; B=offers Bachelor's degree.) I believe those marked (A) qualify as junior and community colleges and the MatchCollege website is confused on the point or sloppy in its definitions. —Anomalocaris (talk) 05:55, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * CCSF is the largest junior and community college and the second largest collegiate institution overall in the United States.

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Clubs
User: Alertclub04 has made several recent attempts to add content about clubs. I consider this to be unencylopedic trivia. Unreferenced material that has been challenged should not be restored without providing a reference to a reliable source. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  18:45, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree, you need to add reliably sourced references. If we cannot find any WP:RS for these clubs, they are trivial and therefore unencylopedic. Jooojay (talk) 20:39, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

World Wide Military Command and Control System
World Wide Military Command and Control System was accessible from City College of San Francisco's Honeywell 6000 system General Comprehensive Operating System ... to play games and for Computer assisted instruction, via Teletype Model 33 and ADDS video terminals. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 16:51, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

"il Maestro"
In Italian? Why? Should that be "el Maestro" in Spanish? 173.32.171.32 (talk) 16:34, 9 February 2023 (UTC)