Talk:City Pier A/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Premeditated Chaos (talk · contribs) 01:45, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

dibs &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 01:45, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Lead
 * Lead para 1 & para 2 have a similar sentence - "Above the pier is a two- and three-story building designed by George Sears Greene Jr., with a clock tower facing the Hudson River." and "The building atop Pier A is generally two to three stories tall, except for a four-story clock tower at the southwestern corner of the building."
 * I have reworded the lead. Epicgenius (talk) 00:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not 100% clear without clicking through that the "New York City Board of Dock Commissioners" is the same thing as the "Docks Department" (you can kind of assume but if you're a reader like me you'll want to click through and clarify and that breaks reading flow)
 * Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 00:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Removed a few dupe links throughout the article, but feel free to reinsert any if they were intentional or feel useful
 * I also removed some minor overuse of "also"
 * Looks good to me. Epicgenius (talk) 00:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * "Site" section has nothing of note


 * Architecture
 * Classic one million uses of "contains" or "contained" <3 Not fail-inducing but you may want to switch it up a bit
 * Done. Epicgenius (talk) 00:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * "It is sometimes nicknamed the "Liberty Gateway"" - do we know why?
 * I have no idea. It's next to Castle Clinton, which was a major embarkation point (although Castle Clinton's days as an immigration station were numbered when Pier A was built). Epicgenius (talk) 00:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Rest of this section is fine, no concerns


 * History
 * "The year after Pier A's opening,..." I can't access this article via WP ProQuest for some reason. Does it explicitly tie this decline to the opening of Pier A?
 * Kind of. It talks about the harbor patrol extensively and describes Pier A as "a substantial structure which the city has erected for the Department of Docks and for land-housing of those who protect maritime commerce". However, the pier itself didn't do anything; the patrol did. Epicgenius (talk) 00:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Under "Expansion and 20th century", para 2 is a bit of a mishmash of ideas. We're going from a bit about NYPD to stuff about famous people through the 20th century to a plaque installed 1930. At very least the top two sentences should be their own paragraph.
 * I've split off the first two paragraphs. Nothing of note really happened between the two world wars, but it was a favorite disembarkation point for numerous high-profile people due to its location. Epicgenius (talk) 00:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * "Pier A was not rebuilt after World War II" - do we know why?
 * The sources don't state this explicitly, but the maritime industry in Lower Manhattan was already in decline after World War II, and the Department of Marine and Aviation probably wanted to consolidate its operations at the Battery Maritime Building (which was in better shape). Epicgenius (talk) 00:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No other issues through Fireboat station
 * "proposed that the waters around Pier A be declared non-navigable." - did it go through? It's unclear
 * I will have to find out about this, but I think it did. Epicgenius (talk) 00:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No issues through Ferry dock plans
 * "prompting objections over the secretive nature of the BPCA's selection process" - can we explain what they were doing that made people object? Right now it comes off as a bit mysterious
 * I've tried to clarify this. If I remember correctly, the BPCA refused to keep the local community board in the loop, and local residents heard about the decision in the newspaper. Epicgenius (talk) 00:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * "Under the terms of the lease, if the restaurant's gross revenue exceeded $18 million, the BPCA would share eight percent of any gross revenue exceeding $18 million." Maybe sub "that figure" for the duplicative "$18 million"? Also, "exceeding" twice as well.
 * Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 00:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Other
 * Not sure if it's of interest but Commons has some cool historical images of the pier, including:


 * File:532 POLICE BOAT 'PATROL' PIER A, NORTH RIVER.jpg
 * File:East Elevation. - City Pier A, Battery Place at Hudson River, New York, New York County, NY HAER NY,31-NEYO,148-1.tif
 * File:Interior of second floor office. - City Pier A, Battery Place at Hudson River, New York, New York County, NY HAER NY,31-NEYO,148-6.tif
 * File:Metal working shop. - City Pier A, Battery Place at Hudson River, New York, New York County, NY HAER NY,31-NEYO,148-7.tif
 * File:Clockwork Mechanism, west end clock tower. - City Pier A, Battery Place at Hudson River, New York, New York County, NY HAER NY,31-NEYO,148-9.tif
 * File:West end of building. - City Pier A, Battery Place at Hudson River, New York, New York County, NY HAER NY,31-NEYO,148-4.tif
 * File:Southeast corner of building showing 1900 and 1904 additions. - City Pier A, Battery Place at Hudson River, New York, New York County, NY HAER NY,31-NEYO,148-2.tif
 * File:Wood working shop. - City Pier A, Battery Place at Hudson River, New York, New York County, NY HAER NY,31-NEYO,148-8.tif


 * Thanks. I will look at these after work tomorrow. Epicgenius (talk) 00:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Other than that, the images in the article are all relevant and appropriately licensed
 * Prose is, as usual, crisp and to the point. No concerns about readability.
 * Sourcing is reliable and spot checks of what I could access did not provoke any concerns (I made a comment or two above about things I did notice)
 * No issues with POV, CV/close para, or other issues

This will be an easy pass once that stuff is dealt with. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 16:47, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm satisfied, everything else like the image suggestions is confetti. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:43, 2 August 2023 (UTC)