Talk:City of David (archaeological site)

Preliminary reports for the City of David
DO NOT go and paste information from these reports. It would be best if we will not take this huge mosaic of sources and make our own research. It would be more better to use avaiable articles and books written by the excavators, summerizing their work along with the complete analysis of their finds. DO use this sources for reference of the different areas of excavation, who are the excavators and the general periods represented at the site.

The dates are the date of the publication, not of the excavation. Ive added if its a salvage and who conducted it, but may have made some mistakes there...


 * Jerusalem, City of David Filip Vukosavović, Joe Uziel and Ortal Chalaf 2021 salvage by IAA
 * Jerusalem, Ma‘alot ‘Ir David Street Salome Dan-Goor 2021
 * Jerusalem, Givʻati Parking Lot Nitsan Shalom, Yuval Gadot, Efrat Bocher, Hélène Machline and Yiftah Shalev 2021 TAU & IAA
 * Jerusalem, Giv‘ati Parking Lot Doron Ben-Ami, Yana Tchekhanovets and Salome Dan-Goor 2021 IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David Ortal Chalaf and Joe Uziel 2020 salvage IAA
 * Jerusalem, Silwan Grove Sivan Mizrahi 2020 salvage IAA
 * Jerusalem, Ma‘alot ‘Ir David Street Salome Dan-Goor and Yana Tchekhanovets 2020 salvage IAA
 * Jerusalem, Giv‘ati Parking Lot Yana Tchekhanovets, Doron Ben-Ami and Salome Dan-Goor 2018 IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David, the Byzantine Street Moran Hagbi and Joe Uziel 2017 IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David, Shalem Slopes Moran Hagbi and Joe Uziel 2017 IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David Salome Dan-Goor 2017 IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David Nahshon Szanton and Joe Uziel 2016 IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David Joe Uziel 2016 salvage IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David (B) Moran Hagbi and Joe Uziel 2016 IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David Nahshon Szanton and Joe Uziel 2015 salvage IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David (A) Moran Hagbi and Joe Uziel 2015 salvage IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David, Eli Shukron, Joe Uziel and Nahshon Szanton 2013 salvage IAA
 * Jerusalem, Giv‘ati Parking Lot Doron Ben-Ami and Yana Tchekhanovets 2013
 * Jerusalem, City of David (B) Joe Uziel 2013 salvage IAA
 * Jerusalem, Silwan Shlomit Weksler-Bdolah and Ron Lavi 2013 salvage IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David (A) 2013 salvage IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David Irina Zilberbod 2011 salvage IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David Rina Avner 2011 salvage IAA
 * Jerusalem, Giv‘ati Parking Lot Doron Ben-Ami and Yana Tchekhanovets 2010 IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David Tawfik De‘adle 2009 salvage IAA
 * Jerusalem, Giv‘ati Parking Lot Doron Ben-Ami and Yana Tchekhanovets 2008 IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David Zvi Greenhut 2008 trial IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David Rina Avner 2008 salvage IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David Zvi Greenhut 2008 trial IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David Zubair ‘Adawi 2006 salvage IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David, the Giv‘ati Car Park Eli Shukron and Ronny Reich 2005 trial IAA
 * Jerusalem, City of David Zvi Greenhut 2005 salvage IAA

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 August 2022
change European Economic Community to European Union 2A02:A03F:9ADD:1C00:8098:5901:3741:35E6 (talk) 10:13, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Correct. Thanks. Done.Iskandar323 (talk) 10:16, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Missing items (archaeology)
Ahiel's House, Burnt Room, House of Bullae... Arminden (talk) 09:12, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

"City of David
By what right is a site that preceded David named after David; especially a naming that was chosen by a French archaeologist in 1913? Even if this is a common name by independent and reliable sources - which I am not sure it is yet - why is none of the naming controversy highlighted in lede, instead of being relegated to a small sentence in the Naming section? Note that its common name in the region to the Arab inhabitants, which probably included Mizrahi Jews, was/is called Wadi al-Hilweh? Makeandtoss (talk) 09:22, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Article also needs some expansion on the politicization aspects of the sites by illegal Israeli settlers. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:04, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It's just the name for the archeological site, the name of which is the preserve of the archaeologists, however, POV-driven that naming may be. It falls under WP:POVTITLE. Wadi Hilweh is already a separate article about the surrounding area. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:23, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Check the references below, the archaeological site is referred to by both names - regardless of whether the archaeological site is part of the wider valley of the same name or not. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:28, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Both names might have been used for both the dig site and the area, but the dig site is more commonly known as "City of David" and the area as Wadi Hilweh. See the quote from the first source: Arab neighborhoods in East Jerusalem, especially Wadi Hilweh, where the dig is located. This was hashed out and resolved through two prior RMs - here and here. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:42, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * As far as all the sources mentioned tell, the two names are also used interchangeably for the site. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:47, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 17 April 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Material  Works   (contribs)  18:47, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

City of David (archaeological site) → City of David/Wadi Hilweh or City of David (Wadi Hilweh) – Wadi Hilweh is used along with the City of David name for the archaeological site in most sources (regardless of the fact that the site is within the Wadi Hilweh valley anyway), here's a few examples:
 * known variously as the City of David and Wadi Hilweh
 * referred to locally by a variety of aliases, and among them "Wadi Hilwe" (in English, "Beautiful Valley") seems to prevail
 * The City of David (Wadi Hilweh)
 * Wadi Hilwa has been renamed the ‘City of David’ (Ir David in Hebrew) by Israelis
 * known as the City of David, or Wadi Hilweh
 * in an area Palestinians call Wadi Hilweh and Israelis refer to as the City of David
 * Palestinian call Wadi Hilweh
 * Makeandtoss (talk) 10:02, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose.The name "City of David" is far more frequently used to refer to the archeological site. You appear to be confusing the archeological site with the neighborhood, for which there is already a designated article, named Wadi Hilweh. Tombah (talk) 11:13, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You haven't demonstrated that City of David alone is used "far more frequently". The above results are the main results I got from a quick google search. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:19, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Per above. This move request, already made highly unusual by the non-standard slash in the proposed destination, would simply re-ambiguate a situation that other editors, myself included, have been at pains to disambiguate. Yes, the "City of David" is a tour de force of revisionist unempirical biblical archaeological POV-ishness, and creates a mess that the City of David disambiguation page basically exists solely to redress, but it also is what it is. The dig site is simply not well-known as the "Wadi Hilweh archaeological site" or "Wadi al-Hilweh archaeological site", even though it may have intruded upon and contributed to the erasure of Wadi Hilweh neighbourhood. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:31, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * City of David (Wadi Hilweh) is a possible compromise, considering that as shown above, every time the site was mentioned in reliable sources, the Palestinian name was mentioned along with it. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:34, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * As mentioned by Tombah, there is considerable source confusion between the neighborhood and the dig site - the neighborhood is also called the "City of David" by its settler inhabitants, and that is what many of these sources show. What you would need to make your case would be sources very specifically referring to the dig site as "Wadi Hilweh XXX". Iskandar323 (talk) 12:55, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose City of David (Silwan) redirects to Wadi Hilweh after all the earlier renaming and disambiguating kerfuffle gone through earlier. The only thing possibly still worth doing is to specify a separate CoD (tourism) to clarify further Elad misdeeds.Selfstudier (talk) 12:29, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

1200-1000 BC
Let me tell you a story about a man who was looking for information on Jerusalem in the years 1200-1000 BC... Cornelius (talk) 20:50, 18 December 2023 (UTC)