Talk:City of Tshwane Metropolitan Municipality

Assessment Comments
This metropolitan area of some 3,200 square kilometres and 3.2 million people may be further described in a substantially enhanced manner. It could prove very encouraging for the editors of this page to have a look at the article on York which also begins with some significant reference to its alternate names. And the article on York may suggest some of the range of material that may be added to this one on Tshwane.Gallador (talk) 05:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Name change wasting effort and space?
Why has the most plausible name change explanation, that based on 'black cow', been deleted? User:David Joffe 2008-09-22 —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC).

With all the effort that has been wasted on this page, and the Pretoria page on the name change debacle, very little other stuff has been written about the metropolitan area. This article is extremely poor when compared to the stuff on Johannesburg.Park3r 16:19, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I am of the opinion that the discussion of the naming controversy is very one-sided, with the description focused mainly on those parties opposed to the name change. If that much effort is being put into an exploration of this debate, it would be informative to see the arguments in favor of and reasons for the name change to Tshwane. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.34.174.143 (talk • contribs).

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. &mdash; htonl 18:09, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Still a cross border municipality?, still mostly in Gauteng?
Is Tshwane still a cross-border municipality, following the recent abolition of cross-border municipalities? 168.209.98.35 15:58, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it is now entirely contained within Gauteng. - htonl 21:21, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Naming
This page does not explain what the city gets it names from a person called Tswane and does not go into who he was.

This page contains misleading information. This might not be deliberate, but due to poor choice of words. Tshwane does not mean "little monkey". It was a name given to the river, based on the name of a person. Another name given to the river, by another group of people, was Aapies which means "little monkey". See here: http://africanlanguages.com/south_africa/place_names.html

Full title
As to the "City of Tshwane Metropolitan Municipality" thing, that may be what it calls itself, but the Municipal Demarcation Board, which is the final authority on these matters, calls it the "City of Tshwane". Certainly, it is described as a metropolitan municipality, which it is. The thing is that it is the City of Tshwane metropolitan municipality, because it is a metropolitan municipality called the City of Tshwane; that doesn't mean that it is called the City of Tshwane Metropolitan Municipality - even if it calls itself that. I don't really see a problem with the article as it now is, but I want to preempt anyone trying to move this article, when it is in fact under the correct name. - htonl 12:07, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. However, the abbreviation CTMM is used on bus-stops and on on many municipal vehicles, so the article, in its present form, is correct. Park3r 19:19, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ja, I don't have a problem with the article as it is now. Obviously the "CTMM" name is widely used and should be mentioned in the article. I just wanted to make a note to forestall anyone who might actually want to move the article to that name. - htonl 19:41, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I think I hadn't had my coffee when I wrote those comments. It would appear that I am wrong, and the Municipal Demarcation Board does in fact refer to it as the "City of Tshwane Metropolitan Municipality". Sorry. - htonl 21:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Full title: Tshwane - Complaints and Confusion
The trade union Solidarity lodged a complaint about this usage (City of Tshwane) with the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA). (See link: http://www.solidaritysa.co.za/Home/wmview.php?ArtID=208). They argue that Tshwane is NOT a city, but a Metropolitan Municipality, and by only printing 'City of Tshwane' and excluding 'Metropolitan Municipality' on statements, letterheads & accounts - they are misleading the public. It actually makes sense to me, because other cities in the Tshwane Metro, like Centurion, is a city on its own and is only run by the Tshwane Metro Counicl. The other major metropolitan in Gauteng, Ekurhuleni, has never referred to itself as 'City of Ekurhuleni', but rather 'Ekurhuleni Metropolitan Municipality' because it also consists of more than one city (+/- 23 cities, towns, and townships). Juvantv 11:03, 18 February 2006 (UTC)juvantv

Requested move

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moved to City of Tshwane Metropolitan Municipality. Kyle Barbour 18:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

City of Tshwane → City of Tshwane Metropolitan Municipality — Correct name of municipality, will bring it into line with other first sentence of article, and other municipalities (eg. City of Johannesburg Metropolitan Municipality, Ekurhuleni Metropolitan Municipality), as per talk page, official name is City of Tshwane Metropolitan Municipality Park3r 16:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

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Survey - in support of the move

 * 1) Support User:Htonl apparently made a mistake (a year ago) moving the article here instead of to its correct name. See above for where he apologises for his mistake in moving the article here from the original Tshwane. Time to fix it, and make the article name match the name given in the first sentence. Unfortunately someone anonymously created the redirect page and a bot fixed the edit, and so it now has a history, so I can't automatically move this page there. Park3r 16:57, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

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Out of date
We're still saying: "The date for the renaming, estimated to cost 1.5 billion rand (US$250m), had not yet been set by early January 2006. Even should the process of renaming the city go ahead early in 2006, the legal processes and various steps involved would make it unlikely for the change to be finalised within the year." Early in 2006 was 18 months ago. -- JackofOz 08:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

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