Talk:Civil defense siren

Suggested Merge
I'd like to suggest that this article be merged with "Siren (noisemaker)," but I just don't know how to do it or if non-staff even has the authority to merge articles, or even how they'll end up and how to clean them up once the merge is done. But wouldn't you agree that the merge should happen? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaxxFordham (talk • contribs) 22:22, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

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Cleanup
This page is in need of cleanup. This article is overly wordy and repetitive.RSido 03:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I initially reverted your edit because I thought it was simply a mass deletion. However I am re-doing the page and cutting out a bunch of crap, trying to make it all flow better.  My apologies --Goldrushcavi 05:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I cleaned part of the introduction because of some painful wording. "However" was used in three sentences in a row, and the final sentence was very POV. 71.215.211.127 (talk) 04:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Boy, this article needs work. There's entirely too much information on here for an encyclopedia article. Test patterns for individual cities, the number of individual veins in the solenoids, detailed descriptions of siren models (especially when they have their own page), and a ridiculous number of redundancies are overloading this page with information. Please see fancruft for detailed reasons NOT to include all this information. Save it for your fan sites. --Goldrushcavi 05:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Spacing
There is some spacing in the article - leave it or else it looks stupid (in my opinion)

please leave

thanx

symode09 14:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * In some places this helped, but you didn't need to add one between every * single * sentence. --Goldrushcavi 23:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

To clean or not to clean... that is the question...
As a somewhat avid air raid/civil defense siren enthusiast, I have to say that this article is wordy, but CD sirens need more explanation than thought by many. Although many topics are repeated and wordy, is it necessary to remove almost all of the information? (I'll go through and see what I can do to cut down and make the article more efficient.) StonedChipmunk 00:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Historical warning tones
There is no mention of which country in which the "red warning", "white warning", "gray warning", and "black warning" tones were used. Based on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgqhaZmPFRg, I am editing the entry to state these were UK signals. Peter K. Sheerin, K6WEB (talk) 02:49, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

FS Thunderbolt being the "most common siren"?
"The Federal Signal Thunderbolt is the most common of all warning sirens."

Although a citation is needed, I've heard many people say otherwise. Federal Signal Thunderbolts were actually the worst-selling sirens when they were introduced, due to the many moving parts and the brittle design. Since "most common" is a bit vague and many people would think of it as being "most used," maybe it should be something like "most known." StonedChipmunk 00:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I have added spacing between the differant subjects ie the differant typed of warnings.

symode09 04:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

--Jsncrso 16:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC) That is entirely untrue. While they were the most common in large systems years ago, they are not the most common warning sirens of today. Model 5 sirens easily outnumber T-bolts nowadays. I changed it to "The Federal Signal Thunderbolt is the most recognizable of all warning sirens due to its unique shape and design", which is technically an opinion, but more widely accepted than the former.

That is actually not an opinion. Do you visit AirRaidSirens.com's forum? Everyone there could instantly know a Tbolt, but you have to have a good bit of knowledge to distinguish a Model 2 from a Model 5, or a 2T22 from a 3T22. Plus, no other siren manufacturer made (or makes) sirens with this design. However, remember that the Thunderbolt was the worst-selling when initially introduced only. It gained a bunch of popularity in no time. --The preceding signed comment was added by StonedChipmunk and you can contact them here. 20:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

TBolts may have been the most popular to the public because of its growling type noise. Other sirens you tend to not pay attention to as you hear them all the time on vehicles and tend to tone them out. Tbolts sound made a person turn on the radio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.74.54.196 (talk) 23:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to know what the all clear sounds like here in Austell GA since a tornado just went by! Wouldn't that be appropriate information? Maybe some links saying how to find out? I haven't read the whole article yet, so I apologize if the info is there and I missed it.

Here there was an amplified voice saying "tornado warning, take cover immediately" followed after a while by a long continuous tone lasting a minute or two, then later a voice "all clear, the emergency is over" followed by a series of rising tones "wooooee wooooee wooooee wooooee".Another name (talk) 02:32, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Japanese sirens
Why? anyone?Andycjp 18:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Siren location
Are there any norms regarding the height at which siren to be installed..???? General idea about installation of civil defence siren at heights shall be welcomed.

Since sound waves are affected by the obstruction of solid objects, it is reasonable to think that one would want to place a siren as high as possible, above the height of surrounding tall solid structures, if possible, to maximize the travel of the sound waves in a 360 degree pattern. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.179.209.249 (talk) 14:54, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Headings US-centric
The headings divide civil defense sirens into "US" and "The rest of the world". Theres no reason for wikipedia to give special mention to US sirens, so I'm going to try and merge the two sections (pending any objections here). Damburger 09:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Mainly it's that way because other sections of the world do not document their sirens as much. Although I support your decision, please note that siren models around the world differ greatly - Federal Signal sirens, for instance, are mainly only in the US, while the HLS German-made sirens exist only in Europe. It would be wise to make a point of that if you plan on merging the two headings. The preceding signed comment was added by StonedChipmunk and you can contact them here. 18:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The whole article is pretty much US-centric and should be ammended. Terrasidius (talk) 15:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:SOFIXIT. That is, if you can find sourced information to make it less US-centric.  Rdfox 76 (talk) 22:40, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Minor Cities Section
While there may be justification for the "Major Cities" section, I feel that the section listing minor U.S. cities is probably redundant. The current list is way too short and gives the impression that Civil Defense Sirens aren't common outside of major cities; when, in fact, there are too many "minor cities" that use them to name (for example, nearly every moderately sized town in Oklahoma uses them). Exxoskeleton (talk) 01:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I would guess that every single village, town, and city in the Great Plains of the US has at least one of these operational for tornado warnings, regardless of the size of the city. I know of three villages of less than 200 people each within 20 miles of my house that all have their own, and larger towns and cities have many of them. My town has five of them, and we're only 5600 people. A nearby city of 24,000 has dozens of them. So yeah, my first thought on seeing the lists was "Wow, that's really unneccesary." Toroca (talk) 05:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * As a thought, since really, the majority of municipalities in the US have operational sirens, maybe it would be a more productive thing to remove both of these sections and replace them with a section listing notable cities that don't have any sirens? (For example, Houston, Texas, removed its system of Thunderbolts in 2004, and didn't replace them, to comply with a new "anti-noise pollution" ordinance that they'd passed.)  Rdfox 76 (talk) 16:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Use of Sirens in Hawaii
Reading over the article, there are numerous mentions of the sirens being used as tornado warning tools. Here in Hawaii, they're used as tsunami, hurricane, and volcanic activity warning by the Hawaii Civil Defense, and are tested once monthly. I know such specificity isn't necessary in regards to Hawaii, but adding further info about the sirens' usage may be deemed advisable. See. Pkarjala (talk) 04:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * As there was no feedback, I added a quip about Hawaii. However, I fear that it may start toward too much specificity; suggestions are welcomed. Pkarjala (talk) 23:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Problems with the "Civil Defense sirens around the world/United Kingdom" section
I'm not at all convinced by the current wording of this section. I've lived in Bewdley since the 1980s, through several major floods, and I don't remember ever hearing a flood siren. The assertions made in this section need to be referenced. Loganberry (Talk) 01:21, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

New Title?
Bah, I thought the article could be called "Outdoor Warning Siren" since the sirens are still used for modern day purposes.. --JustInn014 (talk) 00:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Sirens in Calgary?
I live in Calgary and have never in my life heard a single outdoor siren in Calgary. Also, I think that the cities that have sirens should be cited too. Ginbot86 (talk) 21:12, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

"the iconic siren of a nuclear attack"
I have changed the two references in this article calling the Hi-Lo siren "the iconic siren of a nuclear attack", this is untrue, the Attack Siren is the single of nuclear attack in both popular conciseness and reality. This MP3 from a 1968 Office of Civil Defense campaign explains how the Attack single will be used to warn of impending nuclear attack. As for public perception, in The Day After's famous attack segment seen here shows the Attack Siren used to warn of the incoming Soviet missiles. LCpl (talk) 03:20, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

List of cities
I boldy removed the list of cities having sirens, since it would have been quicker to list cities without sirens there were so many. Pirate Argh!!1! 09:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Spam
Just so everyone will know, to combat the ongoing problem with an IP adding a spam link to the page I requested adding it to the blacklist, which Hu12 was kind enough to handle. The IP is now adding the link with "hppt" instead of "http" in the web address, so feel free to remove the link if it shows back up again. It's learly spam, and has been blacklisted as such. Dayewalker (talk) 17:28, 28 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, the IPs that add the link mostly give a Geolocate result of Missoula, Montana. Ginbot86 (talk) 20:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Globalize
The article needs a good editor to restructure this. The globalize template is not ideal but here are my suggestions. Types of sirens could be placed just after the lede. Historical warning tones could remain if it discusses the whole world or moved to the United States section otherwise (it is unclear so I added a clarify request). Current warning tones also needs to be refactored somehow or moved to the United States. Sirens in integrated public warning systems appears to be about North America, but could the the second paraggraph also apply to other regions? Defunct Manufacturers are, except for Toshiba, all from North America so move them to the relevant sections. I do not want to make these changes myself because there must be an even better way than my first thoughts. -84user (talk) 22:31, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Silent Hill (notable?)
Is it notable enough that the civil defence sirens are used in Silent Hill (1, 2, Origins, Homecoming and the movie) to warn of the transition to the Otherworld? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.190.194.119 (talk) 20:29, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Not really, unless you want to start listing all games and or other movies that utilize civil defense sirens. Pkarjala (talk) 19:45, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Historical warning tones - UK
In cold war they also had a "nuclear fallout imminent" tone. It was just opening and closing the stator holes to generate a periodic "beep" (in siren sound). Can it be integrated or should it be let at the WWII Status? JR natural scientist (talk) 09:01, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

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Ukraine sirens
A few people have added and contributed to a section on civil defense sirens in Ukraine, as they can be heard in news reports such as this one. I've added a short sentence trying to give some context but just wanted to note this as others may have more info on whether there has been any previous use in the country etc. Cheers Bonoahx (talk) 15:23, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

US, no national alert?
"In the United States, there is no national level alert system." doesnt the EAS count? Emergency Alert System 162.205.202.78 (talk) 02:09, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Siren system
No, there actually are three around Leicester in the towns of Sileby, Syston and Rearsby. I don't know why the information got removed. Take a quick look at: 1. Rearsby: 52.7244145, -1.0374040 2. Syston: 52.6980666, -1.0746958 3. Silesby: 52.7298371, -1.1099977 If you look closely, you can see them on Google maps MAXDIAROSH (talk) 11:11, 26 November 2022 (UTC)