Talk:Civil list/Archive 1

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According to the Chancellor article (under Chancellor of Duchy of Lancaster) only the Queen and her husband are on the civil list. This article says otherwise although it is not specific. So who is on this list nowadays? Was this reduced when the quenn started paying taxes and tried to run Princess Michael out of the apartment, etc. Rmhermen 17:24 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Contrary to what the article mentioned, the Civil List is not taken from taxpayers' money, the royal family's income is in fact an annual grant which is derived from the Crown Lands.

Why is it that the article says that the list was 8.153m GBP, but this article(*The price of monarchy: two pints of milk) in the external links says that it is 36b GBP?
 * The Guardian article doesn't say anything of the sort -- the total amount spent, including on fixed assets, was 36 m GBP, but what is defined here as the Civil List -- basically the Queen's salary and household running expenses -- was about 9 m GBP. -- Arwel 03:14, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"In modern times, the profits surrendered from the Crown Estate have by far exceeded the Civil List and Grants-in-Aid provided to the monarch." -When was this ever not the case - when did the Civil List and Grants-in-Aid exceed the profits surrendered from the Crown Estate? Was it 1830, when Parliament removed all civil government expenses from the Civil List? - Matthew238 07:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Income Tax
What does the Queen (voluntarily) pay income tax on? Is it the civil list, or another income?
 * Other, "private", income - the Prive Purse. - Matthew238 07:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

1670
The article says: "It was created in 1660 but 10 years later, King George III agreed to surrender the hereditary revenues of the Crown in return for the Civil List; this arrangement continues today."

That can't possibly be right. 10 years after 1660 Charles II was still king. George III didn't become king until 1760.

According to http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page4971.asp the change happened in 1760 at the accession of George III Bathterror 07:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

civil list pensions in the UK
The article makes it sound like the civil list is purely to fund the royal household, but at least formerly civil-list pensions were also granted to people who had rendered services to the country, e.g. scientific inventors and whatnot. --Delirium (talk) 01:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The most recent example seems to be Myron Evans - see: http://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/further-research-on-the-civil-list-pensioners/

£34M not £7.9M
A BBC article said recently that the UK civil list payment was £34M, not a mere £7.9M. 92.24.138.86 (talk) 19:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

That's because the Civil List was abolished in 2012. It no longer exists. It was replaced by the Sovereign Grants Act. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Grant_Act_2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.127.132 (talk) 17:34, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

But CL pensioners continue to exist, continue to be referred to as such by HM Treasury, and each receive 15000 pounds a year. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:E0CA:56B0:A3EC:854A (talk) 08:11, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Funding from civil list
The article currently says:
 * Only The Queen officially receives direct funding from the Civil List. The Queen's consort (Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh) receives £359,000 per year. The Queen, as Head of State, receives £7,900,000 from the Civil List to defray some of the official expenditure of the Monarchy.

which seems to contradict itself (how can only the queen official receive funding of the Duke of Edinburgh is also receiving funding?) says "Only The Duke of Edinburgh receives funding from the Civil List. This amounts to £359,000 per annum." which seems to confuse the matter further. From what I gather, it's trying to say only the DoE receives funding but the civil list is also used to meet the expenditure of the Queen relating to her duties. On the other hand says the Duke of Edinburgh receives parliamentary annuties as does. Nil Einne (talk) 21:34, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

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Not abolished in the UK following the 2011 act
Contrary to what the main page states, Her Majesty's Treasury confirms that Civil List Pensioners in fact continue to exist following the 2011 Act.

Her Majesty's Treasury refuses to disclose the identities of recipients, and will neither confirm nor deny enquiries about particular persons. It would seem that such concern over the recipients' privacy is difficult to reconcile with the notion that a Civil List Pension is an honour expressing the nation's gratitude, as is stipulated by the 1837 Act. For comparison, recipients of a knighthood have their names made public, and cannot even escape publicity when they seek to reject the honour. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:E0CA:56B0:A3EC:854A (talk) 08:10, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Short description
The short description "List of individuals to whom money is paid by the government" is misleading. As written, it would include all civil servants, all recipients of welfare aid, etc. How can we make it sharper? I don't think it needs to include the obsolete Canadian usage where it covers civil servants. --Macrakis (talk) 13:29, 13 September 2019 (UTC)