Talk:Civil service

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what is civil service?and its history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.69.13.58 (talk) 11:41, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Other meanings
Civil sevice also means a form of "legal" conscientious objection. It should be noted carefully that e.g. the finnish "siviilipalvelus", the swedish "civiltjänst" and german "civildienst" all - and quite literally - mean, or can be translated to "civil service". Should there be a disambiguator for this entry? This has caused a lot of confusion when talking to foreigners ;) Ludvikengelbrekt 15:46, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Good suggestion. I've added a new section to cover this. StuRat 15:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge
No merge. Public sector and civil service are not the same thing. Workers in the NHS in the UK for instance are public sector workers but not civil servants. The UK even has a further division in this called Crown servants which are technically separate again from public and civil. MLA 06:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No merge. as above - but note all crown servants are civil servants but maye not vice versa as parts of the civil service are either privatised or given agency status. Public sector includes much more than Civil service Johnmarkh 02:14, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Indeed, agreed completely.
 * James F. (talk) 18:20, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Civil and Civilian services are one and the same. Public includes non-civilian or alien peoples. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.145.239.10 (talk) 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Public sector and civil service are not the same thing. agreed, and a common misconception, confusing Local Government workers as Civil Servants Fankle Meerkat (talk) 20:56, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

UK US

 * 1) QUANGO in the lead is not applicable to the US. Since the article has sections on both, I made an attempt at a fix.
 * 2) I've lowercased the US civil service where appropriate. It is only capitalized in titles of legislative acts. DGG 05:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It is not immediately clear when you look at the UK table what the numbers mean. They count the number of thousands employees, but it takes a bit of effort to realise that. I will make a change, but there may be something better to change it to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.148.178.245 (talk) 17:42, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Illustration
The illustration of the Virgin Mary registering is linked as being during the Byzantine Empire, but that empire didn't arise until hundreds of years later. StuRat 14:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I asked about this on the Humanities Ref Desk today and the answer seems to be that, although the mosaic was made during the Byzantine Empire, the period shown was under the Roman Empire. I've therefore changed the caption. StuRat 15:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Legal accommodation
…It has come to my decision that a taxpayer is a legal accommodation of the Agency of Government Affairs. And through the protection of the Individual right to bear access to the course, then a civil right has become a civil servant. Noting that a servant may represent something or another, if one was to form a title upon an advertisement for hire this service of recommendation towards the civil liberties of another, then to have a right to bear such civil service and perhaps in ordinance with authority would be a defence.David George DeLancey (talk) 11:07, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

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A perception of a talent is a Property Being. A Property Being is two separate occasions which are established through the well being of characteristics. Thus making a Civil Servant and Public Servant in same; Regard. D.G.DeL-Dorchester Mass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by D.G.DeL-Dorchester Mass (talk • contribs) 18:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Distinct meanings

 * 1) Professional employees of a government (and something about testing).
 * 2) Non-military government employees.

Seems like these two have a large amount of overlap. The testing thing is also sometimes a feature, but it's a historical footnote for the US. The distinction between the two groups is not clear at all. Can the first group also include military hired based on qualifications? Does the first group exclude those who haven't been tested? SDY (talk) 22:01, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Established Civil Servant
The term Established Civil Servant is used to limit who can sign passports in the UK and possibly other countries. Goggle sent me to this page. Can anyone define what is an Established Civil Servant. (The EU page if found attempts but does not do the job.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.129.8 (talk) 18:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Ireland seems to define established as pensionable. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1956/en/act/pub/0046/sec0001.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.129.8 (talk) 18:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Redirect to Public Servant
The term civil service has two distinct meanings:

* A branch of governmental service in which individuals are employed on the basis of professional merit as proven by competitive examinations. * The body of employees in any government agency other than the military.

Therefore there should be a separate article for public servant.

A public servant is a person in the public sector employed for a government department or agency. The term explicitly excludes the armed services, although civilian officials will work at "Defence Ministry" headquarters. The term always includes the (sovereign) state's employees; whether regional, or sub-state, or even municipal employees are called "civil servants" varies from country to country. In the United Kingdom, for instance, only Crown employees are referred to as civil servants, county or city employees are not.

Some civilian officials are not civilians when they are paid by corrupt governments to attack real civilians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.58.201.179 (talk) 16:37, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

china
The section on China is all about the history, but nothing about what defines a civil servant *today* (in the PRC). I have been trying to determine get an idea what the difference is, but the article is useless for this purpose. I hope someone can add something to give more current information.

Davidmaxwaterman (talk) 15:11, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


 * There's an article called "Civil Service of the People's Republic of China" that explains the modern day civil service just as you were looking for. 2A06:A004:5051:0:0:0:0:2 (talk) 06:00, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Germany
Hey guys, I am German reaerch assosiate in law and was merely looking up something on the English wikipedia. I've noticed, under the situation in Germany, it is stated that " Judges and public attorneys are all Beamte". That however is not entirely true. There are three branches of "Beamten-like" civil servants in Germany: Beamte, Judges (Richter) and Soldiers (Soldaten). Even though, even in Germany lay people tend to say all three branches are Beamte, their legal positions differ widley as those regulated by differnt laws of the states and the federation. I.e., Bundesbeamtengesetz for Beamte, Deutsches Richtergesetz for Judges and Soldatengesetz for Soldiers. Msybe you want to change that. Greentings from Germany! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.187.117.43 (talk) 13:25, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Roman Empire
I think it would be beneficial to add a subsection in the history section about the Roman empire civil service related to the growth of it. NinjaAccountant (talk) 13:49, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

bureaucrats
This word is inappropriate because of its ironic, pejorative meaning. I take the article as trying to describe the work of government officials without implying criticism or imputing motives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.232.78 (talk) 14:45, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Brazil
The article's introduction, after describing the concept development in China and the UK, states that towards the end of the 19th century most nations had tests or exams to enter the civil service. I got curious and learned on an academic paper that Brazil took some more time to adopt this model, so I inserted some historic perspective on Brazil's section. The rest of it, while not wrong, is badly phrased, and perhaps I may take some time to work on it. Iporã (talk) 21:10, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Why does an article nominally about a service immediately become one about Civil Servants?
Serious work needed! The article as it stands fails to deliver on the most basic test: to do what it says on the tin. If, after telling us about civil servants, it described their function, it might be of some use. But it doesn't even do that.

Can anyone at least prefix the first para of the lead with some relevant text and add associated body content, please? Possibly compare and contrast with Executive (government). 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 14:06, 29 January 2024 (UTC)