Talk:Civil solidarity pact

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The box at the right hand side should say "Legal recognition of same sex marriage", as "same sex relationships" are often recognised in many different forms, such as civil partnerships in the UK. Right now, any legal recognition at all should in theory be listed in that box, even when they aren't recognised as marriages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Balfron (talk • contribs) 18:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I read on a French forum that civil unions are not recognised in St. Pierre and Miquelon. Anybody know if this is true? Carolynparrishfan 00:43, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Inasmuch as St Pierre and Miquelon are not a "département d'outre mer" (the type of overseas territory legally most like mainland france) but a "collectivité d'outre mer" they could in fact have an administrative status whereby PACS is not recognised by their local administrative authorities. That said, the PACS is really a special kind of "union", in that it is not really a "union". It is literally a contract drawn up between the two members of a couple, which is then stamped and registered by the court. Following the registry, legaly speaking they are still single, not married, but a few things change for the couple. So whether or not your PACS changes anything depends on what you're talking about. Couples have to file jointly for taxes, and since this is administered centrally I am sure that residents of St Pierre and Miquelon are treated as a couple in this instance. Insurance companies noramlly recognise it, if you work in the civil service it is recognised, etc. But private enterprises aren't required to treat you as a couple -- the law doesn't require department stored to give you a joint Confinoga card, banks don't have to recognise you as a couple, etc. A person is not required to testify against their spouse in court, but I can't remember if this applies to PACSed people (which is embarrassing, considering I am PACSed myself). And then there are a lot of things in French law and society that don't change even for a straight couple who marry -- technically a married woman never changes her name, real estate purchases always explicitly state whether you're buying something jointly or for yourself... So to make a really long story short, I'm sure the PACS is recognised as much in St. P. and M. as it is in mainland France, that is to say occasionally.

--Daniel

Is there any way we can incorporate this into the article? Carolynparrishfan 03:43, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Strictly for couples?
What about, say, a grandmother whose grandson / grandaughter wants to protect her legally, financially (health care plan), etc.? Do PACS work for these, too, or is it meant strictly for couples? 70.45.38.227 04:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

To enter into a PaCS you can't be related "to the 3rd degree" (au 3eme degré) that is to say no brothers, uncles, nieces sisters etc. and you can't be at all related in a direct line i.e. no mothers, fathers, grandmothers etc. so to answer your question; yes it is strictly for couples. For the sake of completeness I'll add that step-relatives are also forbidden from entering into a PaCS because they are "closely allied" (les alliés proches) and it is also forbidden for minors, majors under guardianship (sous tutelle) and people who are already married or PaCSed. My source for this is the french wikipedia page on le PaCS and I've included the original french because I'm under no pretences that my translation is definitive. 212.159.46.125 00:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

It would be great if someone could add more detailed information about the actual contract and what it entails rather than information about how PACS came to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.39.46.251 (talk) 18:09, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Translation
The current English translation reads "civil pact of solidarity", but I think that's a far too literal translation. If you look at a French dictionary, you will see the "solidarité" has a technical meaning of "interdependence" and a judicial meaning of "joint and several liability". I lean towards a translation more along the lines of "civil compact of joint liability" or "civil compact of interdependence" (that sounds much more natural to me for a legal term than "civil pact of solidarity"), but I am not a native speaker of French and I do not know how PACS is most often translated. However, as a counterpoint, |en|pacte%20civil%20de%20solidarit%C3%A9 the google translate (which relies heavily on official translations of things like EU documents) offers the following translations: "PACS", "civil solidarity pact", "civil partnership", "registered partnership", and "civil pact of solidarity". If you look up French derivatives (like pacse), civil partnership is more common than anything involving "solidarity". Anyway, I think that solidarité is a type of false friend here. --160.39.37.183 (talk) 08:25, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Figures
Please could the following sentence be rewritten to be clearer:

> The report found that one PACS in 10 had been dissolved (less than divorces for couples married for the same period, for which one marriage in three will be dissolved by divorce or separation after the first 3 years during which most signed PACS are dissolved before becoming more stable than marriages). JDAWiseman (talk) 11:31, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Dissolved
I read somewhere (no, this is not a citation) that a PaCS can be dissolved far more easily than a marriage. Please could somebody who knows describe the process? JDAWiseman (talk) 11:31, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

domestic partnership
is it the same then domestic partnership? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.163.235.253 (talk) 01:38, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Figures of same-sex unions
Evolution du nombre de mariages et de Pacs conclus jusqu'en 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.117.57.146 (talk) 20:23, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Recognition in other countries?
I have no idea, but if someone wants to research the subject, I would be very interested in some information on the extent to which a PACS is recognized in other jurisdictions.

For example There is a procedure for "depositing" a record of a PACS/civil partnership in the UK, but I don't know what it means exactly. Is this considered equivalent to a UK-administered civil partnership? But what if it's an opposite-sex couple? Does the deposit just make a useful formal record for evidence, or does the procedure actually create the UK partnership?

Here's some information on the other direction: French recongition of foreign SPs and SSMs as PACS. 71.41.210.146 (talk) 06:42, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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