Talk:Clan Rutherford

suggestions
In the Clan Info Box under Motto

"Nec sorte (by birthright, by Line/Lot) nec fato (by fate)" which means "Neither by Right(Chance?) nor by fate".

I don't speak it but Latin is an Interest of mine, I don't know the official Motto as recorded by the family, but I am 90% sure its not "Neither by chance, nor fat". I think the source page is misspelled or just Wrong.
 * Well in that case you need to provide an alternative source to support what you might want it to be.QuintusPetillius (talk) 13:23, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

"Nec sorte, nec fato........Neither by chance nor fate.......Rutherford"

Fairbairn’s Crests of the Families of Great Britain and Ireland., By James Fairbairn.,(Revised by Laurence Butters), The Naval and Military Press, Dallington, East Sussex, 1996., Volume 2., p566.

Can be found on Google Books. But It also gives other Mottos, like on p 573, "by sea and land"Comradcaer (talk) 03:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Page 566 does not mention Rutherford: neither does page 573 . QuintusPetillius (talk) 11:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Odd, I must have sourced the wrong Volume? But the source that you have liked me to has Rutherford on PG 568 (1)

"Nec sorte, nec fato........Neither by chance nor fate.......Rutherford"

It seems that the book was published in various countries under multiple names, because this is not the same Publication or Title as the book I tried to source.Comradcaer (talk) 19:11, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I have update the article as per your source.QuintusPetillius (talk) 19:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your help and guidance. Comradcaer (talk) 02:00, 11 November 2014 (UTC)