Talk:Clara Oswald/Archive 1

The Bells of Saint John
Needs to be updated because of the new episode. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlanJG (talk • contribs) 20:40, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Splitting up by version of character
What do we think about this? Personally, I'm not sure there's enough information on the first two to warrant a separate section. Glimmer721 talk  23:23, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's necessary. Based on the story so far, Jenna is playing the same character but reincarnated in different timelines with each incarnation having similar personalities but different upbringings. Pretty sure they all have the same full name of "Clara Oswin Oswald" so it kind of looks repetitive to have separated sections. Take it this way, she's like Doctor Who who has regenerated several times but you don't see separate sections on his article stating each of his incarnations throughout each series.Masterpeace3 (talk) 10:29, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I undid this. Even if it were the case that they were distinct "people" within the fiction, it's not a fictography, it's an overview of the character (character-concept)'s history in the show.Zythe (talk) 14:52, 7 April 2013‎
 * There aren't separate sections on The Doctor's page because there are distinct separate articles on each Doctor, due to the level of information available for each one, which necessitates the splitting of into separate articles. This is an article about Clara Oswald, she first appears at the end of The Snowmen, the other characters played by Jenna-Louise Colemen are - as far as we currently know - NOT the same people. They all, in fact, have different names. Oswin Oswald, Clara Oswin Oswald and Clara Oswald (no Oswin). There should be sub-sections explaining the previous incarnations (if that is the right term). Until we have more information from Moffatt we should treat them as separate characters / incarnations. Especially given their separate names, backgrounds and times. OSUBrit (talk) 00:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Neither production nor the show treats them as distinct individuals, and the real-world interest in the character primarily concerns the mystery, ongoing story and variances in Coleman's performance... which 3+ biographies would not convey (and therefore, fail to justify their existence on Wikipedia).Zythe (talk) 15:36, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Clara Oswin Oswald, Clara Oswald and Oswin Oswald are the same person just under a different name. They don't require separate sections. Lavinder111 17:29, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

The Name of the Doctor
I think that as soon as this episode, which I bet will be THE BEST EVER, Clara's page should be edited; We'll find out who she is, unless it's Moffat Maddness and we don't. But fingers crossed, he'll tell. --ClaraOswaldLives (talk) 02:46, 16 May 2013 (UTC)ClaraOswaldLives
 * We didn't find out specifically, but we did get an idea that she had several incarnations, and we also know that she was the only companion to have personal contact with all 11 incarnations. Having said that, at this point there is no factual basis for stating unequivocally that this same entity was the one who visited all 11 at one point or other. Even the 11th doctor saw three different incarnations, and perhaps the fourth. (Note: Use of incarnation for Clara is not the same as incarnation of the Doctor through regeneration) Michaelopolis (talk) 03:52, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

She is a time lady — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.140.60 (talk) 21:58, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Source
Second hand, but it suggests that Clara was going to be the same woman throughout S7 (or at least from the CS onwards). Eshlare (talk) 13:53, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added more to the section and included this. Glimmer721  talk  16:27, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Change Profile Picture
Change it to either

a picture of clara from the snowmen or oswin from asylum of the daleks

because the snowmen was her first apearance as a companion but asylum was the first ever so i think its should be the snowmen79.68.243.111 (talk) 15:16, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well yes, but the picture is of her in the form that becomes a companion. Glimmer721  talk  16:29, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

She is the same person surely a picture of one form will do and anyway that is the current form of her. Lavinder111 (talk) 11:52, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Seventh Series
Seveth Series?? Somebody needs to learn how to count — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.32.76.73 (talk) 23:49, 23 November 2013‎
 * Somebody also needs to learn to spell (also, how to use talk pages and sign posts). Anyway, we don't pick the numbers of the series - we use the numbers published by the BBC, failing that, those given in secondary sources. See Doctor Who (series 7) where you will find all of Clara's earliest episodes. -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:08, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Reception
I don't think the section at the end fits, starting with "some critics noticed similarities between Coleman's Clara and Billie Piper's Rose Tyler." The "critics" mentioned are from Hypable and Whatculture, basically fan blogs, not genuine publications like IGN and SFX, listed above. The other article, in Hollywood.com, goes on to some pretty wild fan theories ("What if Clara was the sum of all former companions built to be a super-companion by Rose/Bad Wolf in order to help the Doctor... Perhaps Rose took on the energy of the Bad Wolf to mold him a perfect companion (Clara) and help him out when she couldn't be there"). Some of the connections they make between Clara and Rose could as easily apply to Amy Pond. I'm not sure why this belongs here.Oxford24 (talk) 06:24, 7 January 2014 (UTC)


 * That's only the half of it. The section is very biased and clearly written by a fan. A quick google search will reveal a lot of negativity from publications and the other half the fan base. She is the marmite of the show. Fans either love her or hate her. Doctor Who is also named "The Clara Show" or "Clara Who". The episode Kill the Moon is basically all about Clara hogging the episode and the Doctor being pushed to the background.
 * Here's a link that references this division
 * http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/doctor-who-or-clara-who-67831.htm -


 * DarkMithras 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.100.242 (talk) 11:38, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Catergreys
Why is clar listed in the catogrey fictional wating stafe 92.7.161.22 (talk) 22:47, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

✅ I removed this, since I'm sure it isn't true, and there's nothing mentioned about it in the article. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:21, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Word is, the character is bisexual. Nice. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi  12:45, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Unless this is confirmed on screen or by an official source in non-trivial media, we can't say anything about that. 68.146.52.234 (talk) 13:40, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * There was a pretty big hint in "Face the Raven": "Sometimes Jane Austen and I prank each other. She is the worst. I love her! Take that how you like..." Sounds like confirmation to me. And she previously said that Austen was a "phenomenal kisser". BlueBlue11 (talk) 21:38, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

No, it sounds like a tongue-in-cheek joke. Could Clara be bisexual? Sure, it is possible. Is this comment confirmation of same? Not by a long shot. 86.160.201.233 (talk) 11:49, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Two separate references to it and acknowledgement from Steven Moffat seems like confirmation to me. 2A01:388:42A:151:0:0:1:F9 (talk) 16:07, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Reception section
This section needs to be updated as it only includes discussion up to the end of Series 7. It makes no mention of Series 8 or 9 or the anniversary special, which saw the character receiving rave reviews - and some backlash - given how she evolves during that time. General consensus now is that she's almost a completely different character than she was in Series 7. 68.146.52.234 (talk) 13:40, 18 October 2015 (UTC)


 * True. I might try my hand at it soon, now that the character's story is fully over and all the reviews are in. --ZemplinTemplar (talk) 15:53, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Should this section be trimmed down a little before we add the reception from Series 8 and Series 9 ? I'm not sure how long the reception sections are allowed to be, and the one we have now {solely for Series 7) is already as long as it is. What should we do ? --ZemplinTemplar (talk) 13:25, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Final appearance
Why does it say Clara's final appearance was "Face the Raven". She is sourced to be appearing in "Hell Bent" as well.Theoosmond(talk)(warn) 18:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * that field should be left empty for now until it becomes clearer. Do NOT put a future episode: Dr Who travels in time but Wikipedia does not. Mezigue (talk) 08:53, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

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Romance
In the Christmas special with Clara and the 11th doctor they spoke the truth because of the town, they said they had feelings for each other. It was also Clara had saved the Doctor, yes physically and as well as that mentally, without Clara the Doctor would still grieve for Amy Pond and Rory Williams. They saved eachother but the only time The doctor lost Clara was in the dalek asylum and The snowmen Zoey 1307 (talk) 16:21, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Missy the Matchmaker
DonQuixote - I appreciate your concern that adding a link to Missy might be an easter egg link. I simply copied this from an existing entry in the article for "The Bells of Saint John". If it is wrong to link to Missy, then that "Bells" article should also be adjusted. However, having read the easter egg link info, I'd suggest that the link to Missy is more direct than the six-degrees of seperation type that creates an easter egg link&mdash;the woman is, simply, Missy. In fact, the entire opening of the Missy section of the Master's article talks about how Missy brought Clara and the Doctor together, then conspired to keep them together - not exactly the back-handed esoteric connection that Piped_link implies. For this reason, I suggest keeping the link to Missy in this article, and in the "Bells" article, and in the "Missy" article. This still leaves one-degree of seperation (time), but perhaps this could be addressed by adjusting the text to say:
 * ...and space vessel, the TARDIS, from a mysterious woman (revealed, later in the series, to be Missy).

Your thoughts? Jmg38 (talk) 17:10, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * To what link in "The Bells of Saint John" are you referring? -- ‖ Ebyabe talk - Repel All Boarders  ‖ 17:55, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * DonQuixote has cleaned it up for us. It had been "Clara, having been given the TARDIS' number by "a woman in the shop""..." Jmg38 (talk) 18:38, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing out that Bells of Saint John needed to be corrected. However, the point of the plot section is to succinctly summarise key points in the plot. Anything else, like the above, should be mentioned in more appropriate sections whilst avoiding easter egg links. See WP:PLOTSUM. DonQuixote (talk) 17:55, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It was in section "Continuity" already (I missed it), just made one small change. Jmg38 (talk) 18:46, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

What subject does Clara teach?
Doesn't seem to be in the article, though perhaps I missed it. Thanks! Arnold Rothstein1921 (talk) 01:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

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Photos
Is it really necessary to have a photo of every costume Clara worn at the Doctor Who Experience? It makes the article look very messy and distracts the reader from the main article, imo. 2A02:C7F:281A:8F00:2458:FB50:7B7B:2C2C (talk) 14:21, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I see no issue with it. It expands upon the article, fits very nicely into the page, and I'm not sure what you mean by "distract" - the photo is directly related to the article, it doesn't go off on some unrelated tangent. --  Alex TW 14:29, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand why we need to see every costume she's worn. It isn't really relevant to her character. 2A02:C7F:281A:8F00:2458:FB50:7B7B:2C2C (talk) 18:52, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * How is something that is a part of her character not relevant to her character? Bit of an oxymoron. --  Alex TW 22:27, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Her first episode
I edited the end of a paragraph in the Production section. It had read: 'Moffat told Neil Cross, who wrote "Hide" (2013), the first episode Coleman filmed, that Clara was "a normal girl".'

I tweaked that to "Coleman filmed as the new companion,". Hide was certainly filmed after Asylum of the Daleks and likely after Snowmen, though I'm less certain of that. But it's certainly the first she filmed for the second half of the season. My wording is about as precise as we can get without a production schedule. -- Claudia (talk) 05:15, 27 December 2018 (UTC)