Talk:Clark Kent (Smallville)/Archives/2023/December

Question
Is this page solely for the Smallville incarnation of the character or a general rewrite of Clark Kent?  Paul    730  18:34, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Just for Smallville, and I'm not even sure that I'll be able to create this one. As I'm working on that list of characters, that I showed you before, I'm realizing that people like Clark and Lex have waaaaay too much IU information to cover without making the LOC article become overly long. It's 80kb (about 45-48kb readable prose) right now, and I haven't even finished Lex's info, or any of the other main characters. I'm thinking that maybe I can find enough on Clark, Lex, Lionel and Chloe (the later two obviously already have an article) that will allow me to create a new article for them, just for Smallville. If not, then I'll have to find a way to trim Clark and Lex down more...but it'll be hard to trim things that are rather important to the character and the show.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  20:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * A subpage for Clark and Lex seem like a good idea to me. There must be quite a bit of encyclopaedic info that's built up around the characters over 7 or so years, and like you say, I'm not sure that Clark Kent or a LoC could do them justice.  It'll be cool to see how the article turns out.      Paul    730  20:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, if you come across anything, you know where to dump it. :D   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  02:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Powers in infobox
Should we have a list of his powers in the infobox, they're pretty crucial to his character? That would be consistant with the comic book incarnation. It might also help to differentiate the two versons, since Superman has some powers teen Clark doesn't like flight?  Paul    730  18:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know. Some of that stuff is subjective...if we did include something it would have to be something completely objective (obviously, x-ray vision, heat vision, super breath, speed and strength). When you get into "super endurance" or "intelligence", then you're getting into original research territory. I'm referring to the Smallville character, because the comic book character explicitly states that stuff.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  19:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I say stick to powers that play a major part in the show like the ones you mentioned. Nothing subjective or anything he only had in one episode (can't think of an example... flight?), although I imagine that'll attract lots of good faith edits from fanboy editors when you move the page to the mainspace.    Paul    730  20:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Slightly larger, clearer version of one of the images you linked. Leaving it here in case we ever need it.  Paul    730  11:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Potential sources

 * http://news.google.com/archivesearch?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=Clark+and+Lex+friendship


 * Use the DVD Verdict stuff for the other character articles, including the Characters of Smallville article.

Picture
Wow, Bignole, this is an amazing article. Good job. The only concern I have is the picure; Clark looks a bit freaky and since we're using a free use picture, why not use a good one? I like this promotional photo. Looks really professional and cool. Or, for a more casual look, how about this one, although a smaller resolution pic will need to be found.  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  09:05, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Because neither really show "Clark", they show Tom Welling in promotional photos. If we wanted just Tom Welling then we'd have to find a free image. I was looking for a photo of Clark in his quintessential clothing (red jacket and blue shirt) and that's the one that came out the clearest.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  13:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I get you, but I don't agree. That promotional photo is promoting Smallville, so really they're promoting CK, not Welling. The costume (red and blue clothes) in the picture may have some significance to those who know about the writers' intententions, but for those who don't, it means nothing. Why not have a better, more professional photo? It is still showing "Clark", just without the usual clothes.  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  06:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't care for those promotional photo's. I would rather have him in his normal clothes, then clothes he never wears on the show. Being "professional" doesn't actually mean that it is better. For all anyone knows, that's just a photo of Tom Welling in a suit, and not of Clark Kent. At least with a screen capture, it's a little more positive - plus you get the added benefit of it showing him in his natural clothing.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  11:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I'm not going to sit here and keep on arguing. If you feel that a screen cap will be better, then that's ok. I just wanted to state my opinion. Anyways I'll try and find a better screen cap than the one we already have, I'm certain there are better ones.  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  11:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, I had a whole list, which I discussed with User:Paul730 and User:Alientraveller. I've gone through most of Google's images, and there isn't much to choose from.


 * Oh, well they all look rather unfortunate. I'll see what I can come up with.  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  11:46, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The reason I used an image of him in the red and blue is because I know that there is information on them dressing him in red and blue on purpose. When I find that information, it would look add for that to be in the article and for the picture of him not to represent his most common appearance on the show.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well here's a stab in the dark, how about using a promotional photo (or whatever) in the info box, and putting a picture of CK in blue and red in the article with the use of critical commentary. That way we will have two pictures, and since the other picture will have commentary, it can be used.  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  12:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Doesn't actually meet fair use. Even I would challenge why there are two pictures of the character, when one would suffice for both. I went through all 46 pages of Google Images' "Smallville" results, and this was the only other one I could find.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:16, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You would think that after seven seasons there would be at least a couple of pictures of CK where his mouth is not open or his eyes aren't closed. I'll have a look through (later) the images at the Smallville Wiki and KryptonSite, maybe they'll have some.  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  12:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This one is really good, or how about this one?  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  12:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * We cannot upload images with watermarks, and it is illegal to cut the watermark out (copyright issues). I don't think there is anything really wrong with the image we currently have. I think we should focus on more important things with the article, like sourcing the rest of those awards Welling was nominated for, and getting some more info on "Characterization" and his relationships with the other characters.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Serves me right for thinking I had found a great pic. You're right though, there is more important stuff (but I refuse to give up and will continue to search for better pics).  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  12:41, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * That's cool. I think the characterization stuff could probably be found in season DVD reviews. There might be some relationship stuff in the individual episode pages of those companions...I'll check those out.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I see you changed it. Looks much better. ;)  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  07:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK
While I'm here, how about nominating a fact from the page to DYK. Seems notable enough.  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  09:08, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * What fact?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  13:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Any fact, e.g. "Tom Welling, who plays Clark Kent on the television series Smallville, believes his lack of knowledge of the Superman mythology helps his performance?" If no one wants to nominate it, I will.  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  07:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Be my guest.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  11:30, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. :D  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  11:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Additional categories
Why do all of the additional categories that I put down for this article keep getting erased? Smallville's Clark is all of the things that I put down; he is a DC Comics superhero and alien (original characters in DC Comics TV shows that have articles in Wikipedia are listed as such, even if they don't appear in the comics themselves), is an extraterrestrial superhero, football player, reporter (as of Season 8), immigrant to the U.S., and vigilante, and is a DC Comics character with superhuman strength, speed, and accelerated healing powers. So why do these keep getting deleted? User:Nintendoman01 10:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's strange, your signature looks very similar to mine...  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  09:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that was entirely my bad. I wasn't thinking when I did that. It'll never happen again. But seriously, why isn't Clark listed in any of those categories? User:Nintendoman01 6:33, 13 November 2008
 * That's okay. Well you will have to ask Bignole, as he's the one who removed them. If you have a look at his edit summaries, he has explained why he has done so: "he's not a reporter (he's never had a bi-line on the show) he's an intern", and "he is not a real reporter, he's a copyboy that is still trying to earn his reporter status; being an alien makes you an extraterrestrial". If you are still concerned, you should probably ask him about it.  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  11:41, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Another image
I was thinking of adding an image of Clark strung up like a scarecrow, to help illustrate the representation of Jesus that the director, as well as critics, have noted in the scene. Unfortunately, there really aren't good shots of this scene. The two best shots are these two: 1 and 2. I'd like some thoughts on which people like.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:14, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Image 2 seems clearer, although the angle isn't great. I'd go with that one, the other is just too dark.     Paul    730  22:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll go ahead and upload the second one - just so we have one there. If consensus goes the other way, it's just as simple as uploading the new one overtop of that one.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  23:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I would like to add an image of Clark from one of the set fotos, when Tom Welling is standing in front of the Big Ben. It is very realistic and quite modern.Sha-Sanio (talk) 14:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't understand the rationale for replacing the one we have. Why is that image better than what we already have?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I have uploaded another image of Clark Kent. This one is more representative of the character that is portrayed by Tom Welling in the series.Sha-Sanio (talk) 01:03, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, it wasn't. It was a close-up picture of his face, alongside David Bautista's face from "Static". There is nothing wrong with the image that is there now. I ask you to please stop boldly changing the image.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:05, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Bignole that the current image, File:ClarkCommencement.jpg is the best image of Clark and should not be replaced just for the sake of it. Sha-Sanio, I do not understand your reasoning behind changing the image to frankly inferior ones.     Paul    730  01:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion there is nothing to say against a change and my picture looks more interesting than the old one. I don't understand why you don't want to replace the old one. Seriously it's a little bit boring.Sha-Sanio (talk) 01:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The image is there to serve the encycopedic purpose of visually identifying the character. All we need is a simple "boring" profile shot of Clark that represents how he usually looks in the show.  The current image does that very well, the two images you changed it to did not.  The first featured Clark in a costume and setting atypical of Smallville (not to mention an awkward position), while you could barely even see him in the second one.     Paul    730  01:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

This picture is really important because it demonstrates who Clark is going to be, a superhero. This is very typical of the portrayed character unlike the previous pictures which only showed how he appears in everyday life, boring!!! Sha-Sanio (talk) 03:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * A picture of Clark all dirty, just standing in the middle of the road does not embody the image of a "superhero". Neither does a picture of Clark being picked up by an alien bigger than he is (in which case you only see his face anyway). The images are less quality, and unnecessary to begin with. Even if they were to put Clark in the Superman suit this Thursday, and provide the best possible quality image of such a thing, it still is not the typical look of "Clark Kent" on Smallville.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  04:57, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

The picture shows what Clark is meant to become. this is an important development in season 8 and this picture emphasizes this impression. that's why it should be added.Sha-Sanio (talk) 06:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I have added the last image with the Superman badge, I hope you like it better than the old one.Sha-Sanio (talk) 08:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Sha, two editors disagree with you. We respect you willingness to help, but this is the last time I am going to ask you, please stop uploading new images without consulting first on the talk page. It is becoming disruptive.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

This really mean, what you are doing there. I'm asking you for so long now, I don't even remember myself for how long. I'm going on search for an even fancier image.Sha-Sanio (talk) 12:38, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not being mean, I'm actually politely asking you to stop uploading new images as you do not have consensus to do so. Your actions are becoming somewhat troublesome, and I am almost inclined to open up an inquest into all of them (beyond just this article), as I keep seeing you copying mass articles into separate sandboxes and uploading tons of images that keep getting deleted.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:57, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I have changed the images of the Smallville cast and would like to replace the old image through this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tom-Welling-Smallville-Clark-Kent.jpg#Summary. What do you think about it?Sha-Sanio (talk) 16:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Again, the current image is the better image. Just because this one is the "most recent" doesn't make it the better image. Hell, now your argument for "the other is boring" doesn't stand, because your new image has him in the same pose as the one on this page. Traditionally, even in his season, Clark wears blue shirts and red shirts and a blue or red jacket. Not these suits he's wearing while at the Daily Planet. He still wears his blue and read, and that is his quintessential look. That is why the current image is the better option.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  16:55, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

The images of the other cast members have been replaced already maybe it is time to do the same with the image of Clark.Sha-Sanio (talk) 09:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Coming back every couple of days and saying the same thing doesn't actually change anything. All of the images have not been changed. Only Chloe and Lois were changed, and that was only because the source that the original picture was listed at changed their image. Lionel, Lex, and Lana are still the same image. I told you, the image of Clark we have now is the best image out there. There is no need to change the image, so please stop uploading news ones to Wikipedia. You cannot just keep uploading images after images that never get used.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Relationships
I have added new details about Clarks and Lana's relationship to the article. Do you agree with me or not???Sha-Sanio (talk) 17:42, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I have added to the section "relationships" that Lana and Clark can't approuch and touch each other anymore without Clark being hurt and intoxicated with krypton, so that Lana finally decides to leave Smallville.Sha-Sanio (talk) 19:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * All of the information under "Character Development" is for real world content only. It isn't for rehashing the plot information.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:56, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Do we want to replace the picture through this one File:Cw-smallville-prt-TWelling-a 001121-92314d-281x374.jpg ? Sha-Sanio (talk) 15:06, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

And maybe we should add somewhere that Clark can't touch Lana anymore and that she left Smallville, the question remeains where exactly???Sha-Sanio (talk) 15:07, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * First, please stop uploading images. That discussion has finished, and there is no consensus to change the picture of Clark to one that he typically does not look like. As for the Lana thing, I have added it to the actual plot section.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  15:17, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

New picture
I would suggest we add another File:Medium tom-welling.jpg picture of Clark then, because as explained he has his costume and make-up on this picture and it's not so boring.Sha-Sanio (talk) 18:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Check the above discussion, it was actually brought up before you ever came here. The image is slanted, and distracting to the eyes. The image we have now is fine. Please stop trying to replace it. Let it go.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  18:51, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey the new picture is hot, where did you get it from?Green-Olli (talk) 19:00, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

As you can see other editors like my picture as well and I think I should better change it back.Sha-Sanio (talk) 19:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey who tried to change your image, the Lex Luther the stupid guy, I mean some Luther guy keeps reverting mu edits too, so hysterical and stupid, this.... The new image is really hot.Green-Olli (talk) 19:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Consensus does not form instaneously, and especially not when you're using a sock puppet. Because of your actions, I am going to be filling a formal request into whether Green-Olli and Sha-Sanio are the same person (as from your edits it appears that you are).   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  19:10, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

This can't be serios, why do you change this images, there is another editor who is of mine opinion, don't be so boring.Sha-Sanio (talk) 19:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I have no doubt the other editors has your opinion, because I believe that the other editor is YOU. I have requested that the page be fully protected until a formal sock puppet inquest can take place to determine if you were trying to cheat your way into consensus.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  19:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I have worked on the image and uploaded a new version.Sha-Sanio (talk) 19:42, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

The new image is good, let it be and it shows Clar in front of a background, that is typical of Smallville. Leave this image.Green-Olli (talk) 19:44, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I would suggest to change the image for some time and then look and decide if it's okay or not.Sha-Sanio (talk) 21:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Unnecessary. You can look at an image without putting it in the article and see if it's ok. Plus, we can always look at the instances of the page where you did put the image in and look at those, and frankly the current version looks better than this version. Not only is that version slightly out of focus, but it's slanted, which makes both problems a distraction for the eyes. That same image was already proposed when we were looking for an image originally, and the current one was chose over top of the one you're trying to add. See the above discussions.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:16, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion the image of Sha-Sanio looks much better because it is more sincere. I want it back.Green-Olli (talk) 21:26, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * First, what does "sincere" have to do with anything. Second, what exactly makes an image "sincere"?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:30, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

This is so kinky what you are doing, I want to edit this stupid article, and it doesn't work. Where is the stuck-out-your-tongue-smiley when you need one.Sha-Sanio (talk) 22:23, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Page protected
This article has been sysop protected due to edit warring. Tan  &#124;   39  20:01, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Edit????
What to hell is going on, that I can't edit Clark Kent stuff?74.3.2.107 (talk) 02:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Please wait until February 10th (in a matter of hours) until you begin editing again. This article has been temporarily frozen to prevent an edit war that was occuring between users whom did not agree on the changes to be made and neither would back down. --Sc0ttkclark (talk) 02:49, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Noticing your edits to Lex and Lana's pages, please do not duplicate information that is already present as you have been doing over there. I'll assume good faith and believe that you just didn't notice that the information was already present.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  02:55, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Relationships (2)
I have edited the relationships section and bignole has undone it. And I don't under stand why. It is all true, there is the author who can confirm what happened, why can't we add the info?FashVic (talk) 22:03, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I actually intend to add more info out of the article, do you really intend to swipe all my work away?FashVic (talk) 22:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Your first edit to the plot section basically stated exactly what the sentence before it stated, so it was rather redundant to state the same thing twice almost verbatum. As for the second edit to the relationship section, ALL of the sections under "Character development" are for real world commentary only. They are not for plot information. Each section is devoted to the crew's analysis of the story arcs, the characterization of Clark and his relationships with the other characters. They are not for just reiterating the plot, and that was why I reverted your addition. When someone talks about Lois and Clark from a real world perspective then we add it to those sections. When it's just restating what happens in an episode, then it's in the "Appearances" section. Since we have season articles, we don't include every minute detail that occurs in an episode, only over arching themes.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:33, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Do we want to add that Lana came back in the episode Bride and that they restarted they relationship and they had to break up because lana is full kryptonite radiation?Sha-Sanio (talk) 09:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I told you when you were on your FashVic account, only real world information goes in the relationship section.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Picture
Do we want to change the old picture, the old one is too old and doesn't match the the pictures of the other characters.Sha-Sanio (talk) 08:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No we don't. Please stop bringing this up. Just because you start a new thread every so often doesn't mean that the opinion has changed.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The current picture is fine and hardly old, this is also listed as a good article so there is no reason to mess with it. Russell [ Talk ] 22:53, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Reporter/Vigilante
Since Clark takes the law into his own hands and works for the Daily Planet, does he count as a fictional reporter and/or vigilante? The Mario Bros. are the bomb!, 11:49, 21 June 2009


 * He's technically just a "Copy boy", even though he's written some articles. He doesn't hold the title of "Reporter" officially, at least not yet. As for "vigilante", he's not. A vigilante is defined as "a person who violates the law to exact what they believe to be justice from criminals." Clark doesn't violate any laws. Otherwise, every good samaritan that does a citizen arrest would be considered a vigilante, and would subseqently have to be arrested themselves since vigilantism is illegal.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:56, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I kinda get the reporter thing, but I always thought that a vigilante was any non-cop person who took the law into their own hands. Guess I was wrong. The Mario Bros. are the bomb!, 8:19, 21 June 2009
 * They are and they aren't. Vigilantes will break the law when the apprehend criminals (i.e. they'll beat the shit out of them often). Citizens can arrest anyone, but it isn't a "vigilante". That's why Clark wouldn't really be a vigilante in the true sense.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  01:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

i know this is several years old but i want to reopen the vigilante debate as especially in smallvile all the heroes were portrayed as vigilantes. taking the VRA and the shows "public opinion" storyline to the side a vigilante in several countries such as Australia is less about what legal laws they break but comes down to untrained and unrecognised forces interferring in the course of justice. this can be but is not limited to citizen arrests, stepping over crimes scenes before they are set up, recklessly entering a fire to save people, exact personal justice outside a court of law. as you can see vigliante is good and bad. normally a vigilante rises from a flaw in the legal system or someones feeling they wer enot granted fair justice. while most legal forces (especially military) find vigilantes a public mennance when tempered one off cases of vigilantes have proven useful in history (see american posse's).

end of day a hero = symbol people can see and try to believe in. vigilante is a warning to back off normally aimed at criminals203.219.85.18 (talk) 10:11, 25 February 2013 (UTC)


 * All heroes were not portrayed as vigilantes, they were merely called that. They did not actually fit the definition of a vigilante, and they did not identify themselves as vigilantes either. Unlike in Arrow, where Oliver clearly is a vigilante, as he is willing to deal out the justice himself instead of merely apprehending criminals and letting the police take over.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  13:10, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Clark's costume
Any qualms about using this image of Clark for the infobox? We don't have room for two costume images in the costume section, and with the recent debate about non-free images in infobox there is a chance someone would argue that a generic red jacket doesn't set Clark apart from Tom Welling enough. So, since the current costume isn't really that different from his typical garb before season 9, but has the added feature of the Superman sheild embossed on the jacket itself it may be more of a "difference" for the non-free police. Thoughts?  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  20:10, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm going to go ahead and change it, no one has commented in over a week.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  18:32, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Feedback from FAC
Hi Nikki, thank you for leaving feedback at the FAC. I had some follow up questions, and I figured I would put them here since the FAC was closed because you were the only commenter. I don't think there is an issue with primary sources for what is really cut-n-dry information (e.g., the best person to talk about the decision to film something is the person filming it, and often times they only give that information on commentaries or if you're lucky an official companion book), you mentioned "questionable sources". I wanted to know which ones you thought were questionable. If it's something that I can replace, or explain better than I'll be happy to work on that. I can work on the consistency issues with the formatting of the quotes and the sources. I've noticed that people have come in from time to time to change things, and I never checked to see that the formatting appeared the same. Again, I appreciate your feedback. :)   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  15:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Bignole, I don't mean to suggest that we should avoid primary sources entirely - I agree that in many cases they provide good information that isn't readily available elsewhere. However, when easily more than half of the sources in an article are primary/non-independent, that is to me a red flag. As to questionable sources, I would query the following at FAC: DVD Verdict; ifMagazine (for the moment because of the dead link, as I can't assess it properly); About.com; Fancast (again, for the moment because it's dead); KryptonSite; Ain't It Cool; AllYourTV (site suspended?); VoicesFromKrypton; Popdirt; Joe Acevedo; chiff. It's quite possible that some of these are justifiable - I just don't know the topic area well enough to do that. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:45, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I understand the apprehension when seeing a lot of primary sources. Which are you viewing as "primary". If it's the episodes, then they are really only sourcing the plot information (as I cited every individual episode where necessary, as opposed to just saying "In episode X..."). I'll go through them all and not only check the deadlinks, but review if there is a better source for the information where applicable. I know that a lot of the more questionable sources were used to source basic info like dates or Award nominations for the actor. Like I said, I'll review them again and see what's what. There are a few that I know are typical sources for TV and Film news, and others that I don't recall very well and need to see how they are being used. Any other suggestions?   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  03:28, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Primary sources includes the episodes, the novels (novelizations?), comic books, etc. You could also check to see whether there have been any discussions of any of these sources at WP:RSN. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:40, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 11:51, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Two
Hello, I am just making sure we are all on the same page that this is the Clark Kent of Smallville alongside the Smallville in "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Two", which aired in 2019. I did not think I would need to come her to specify that this is in fact the same character, but here I am, announcing I am mentioning this appearance on the page. 2001:BB6:52F1:AB00:8DC3:69FB:77C4:579B (talk) 18:38, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * And?...cameos occur frequently, so unless you cite a reliable source that states that the Crisis episode serves as any sort of epilogue, it's not important to the Smallville articles other than as Influence or Cameos (see MOS:REALWORLD). DonQuixote (talk) 18:41, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It's just a cameo. There's nothing inherently special about it. We also don't typically put family in infoboxes unless they are essential to understanding the character. Lois isn't essential to understanding Clark, because Clark is significantly notable by himself.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  20:22, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Apparently, a recent episode of Titans ("Dude, Where’s My Gar?") establishes that the universe of Smallville (and other DC universes like Adam West's Batman, Christopher Reeve's Superman, and the DCEU) is set in the Post-Crisis multiverse (that gets created in "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Five"), and not the Pre-Crisis multiverse (which is where the Earth-167 (retired) Clark Kent lived). So, the dude in "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Two" is not actually the Clark Kent from Smallville (chronologically last seen rushing off in 2018, to handle a bomb in an elevator in "Finale"), but his Pre-Crisis counterpart (who would likely have had a different life). That universe (and the events in it: Clark Kent retiring from being Superman, and having a few daughters) was destroyed, and then this new universe was created (which is where everything from Smallville happens) (The same goes for all other DC continuities).--Coq87rouge (talk) 06:18, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * None of it particularly relevant to this page. What other shows try to decide for separate shows should stay on their shows. It gets too convoluted to try to keep track of and at the end of the day if you're watching Smallville or even reading the comics after, none of that matters because it's not part of the actually Smallville show.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:38, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, I agree. I was attempting to respond to the original question, and not your comment, with evidence (for those who want to connect everything) that what was in that episode of another show was not some epilogue for Smallville. I probably should've posted this on the talk page for the Smallville article, which contains an "Arrowverse" section that states: "The crossover retroactively establishes the events of Smallville as taking place on Earth-167 and reveals that in the years since the finale, Clark has given up his powers and taken over the Kent farm, where he and Lois raise their two daughters". The combined material in "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Five" and "Dude, Where’s My Gar?" proves this claim false. Earth-167 (in the destroyed multiverse) is just a random universe, with a Tom Welling-looking Clark Kent, and an Erica Durance-looking Lois Lane, with the new multiverse being implied to contain a universe similar or identical to Smallville.--Coq87rouge (talk) 18:33, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Oliver Queen
My edit that changes the wikilink Green Arrow to Green Arrow has been reverted. In my opinion, we should to Oliver Queen (Smallville), which redirects to List of Smallville characters because it is surely more specific to the character rather than the JL page (that talks about the league as a whole). Redjedi23 (talk) 14:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


 * It isn't. The Character page only contains some plot information. The Justice League page contains his real world information, because there isn't enough for him to have his own page (like Clark or Lex), so he's part of a group page with the rest of the Justice League members.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:38, 2 February 2023 (UTC)