Talk:Clem Grogan

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Requested move 10 November 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved Fuortu (talk) 10:32, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Clem Grogan → Steve "Clem" Grogan – The previous RM resulted in scrapping out 'Steve' probably per WP:TITLEFORMAT, which normally forbids using quotation marks within titles. However, the policy also allows using quotation marks if they are part of the name. Also, this year's sources use the proposed name: NBC News, CNN (which uses 'Steven'), Vice, The Guardian, Decider. This decade's books use the proposed name as well:. Other sources omitting "Steve" (excluding articles prior to 2016 and books prior to 2010):. George Ho (talk) 09:58, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 07:15, 14 November 2016 (UTC)


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Date of birth?
This English Wikipedia article claims Grogan's birthday is July 13, 1951, but this German Wikipedia article about the same person says his date of birth is May 24, 1952. I've been searching for a reliable source listing his birthdate and haven't been able to find anything. Which date should be used? Which is accurate? Shingpau (talk) 21:56, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Does the German article cite a source? This article refers to this source, which says July 13, 1951. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:50, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see a source on the German article. Thankfully, I think I've just dug up a solid source supporting the 1951 birth date. Take a look at www.charlesmanson.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/clem-steven-grogan.png . This image also displays his full first name as "Steven", which we don't have on the English article yet. —Shingpau (talk) 13:16, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I just made the correction for "Steven". —BarrelProof (talk) 19:59, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 6 September 2020

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move page. (non-admin closure) —  Young Forever (talk)   16:06, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Steve "Clem" Grogan → Clem Grogan –

This ngram shows the Clem Grogan is more common than Steve "Clem" Grogan. We can be sure this is not a bug by looking at this ngram for Ron "Pigpen" McKernan.

Clearly, the Steve Grogan (American football) is the primary topic for Steve Grogan, which anecdotal evidence confirms. So since Clem Grogan is either a 1st or 2nd common name for this subject (even if we are not sure if its the 1st or 2nd), WP:NATDIS recommends we use it.

Also, this is neat per WP:NICKNAME. --- C &amp; C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 15:33, 6 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom and WP:NICKNAME. We should not include nicknames in quote marks in article titles unless that is clearly the most common form found in English-language independent reliable sources. —BarrelProof (talk) 15:58, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Rreagan007 (talk) 18:28, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 13:08, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 00:45, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. Clear common name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:15, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

✅ Done. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:47, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

=Did Clem Sing What's Your Game Girl=

What do you sons think about the claim that it was 'retarded' Clem Grogan who sang Manson's best song by far - 'Look at Your Game Girl.' Doesn't sound like Charlie OR  someone retarded...[Special:Contributions/2600:1702:2350:20F0:80E2:C4E9:71A8:86A3|2600:1702:2350:20F0:80E2:C4E9:71A8:86A3]] (talk) 16:38, 18 November 2022 (UTC)


 * No, that was Charlie. The songs on the "Manson Family Jams" album were Clem and the ones on the "Lie" album were Charlie according to several books and articles I've read over many years. And Clem is not retarded, per page 284 of Reflexion by Lynette Fromme Amy R71 (talk) 17:23, 20 July 2023 (UTC)