Talk:Clemente Domínguez y Gómez

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Dude! Blue gloves?!? This is one BAD Papal fashion statement! -- Someone else 06:56 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

You bet. Could be for one of two reasons:


 * His devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary and blue is her colour!!!
 * You mean his MOTHER let him go out dressed like that? --Someone else


 * The fact is that he is blind and never realised he was that shade of blue is NEVER in vogue, not while wearing that colour of tiara anyhow. JTD 07:01 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)
 * Tiaras....so hard to accessorize properly.....-- Someone else


 * I wouldn't put this in the article, but I found some things indicating an even more colorful history him. "This also afforded him a luxurious lifestyle, allowing Dominguez to hold gastronomic feasts lasting several days and drive a luxurious black limousine as head of the Palmarian Church. But Dominguez also had struggles with his sexuality, admitting that in his youth he was a prisoner of his sexual appetites, and that he had sexual liaisons with both men and women in his church. According to the Spanish newspaper El Mundo, Dominguez was well known under the sobriquet El Voltio in Spanish homosexual circles during the time of dictator Francisco Franco."--T. Anthony 10:26, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Reminds me of fraternity dress-up parties... I think the blue gloves are cleaning gloves and I am not too sure what to think of that cape. I have seen trash bags which looked suspiciously similar.

Differentiate this gentleman from the Canadian politician of the same name (for whom there does not appear to be a page yet).

As he and John Paul II died close together, an opportunity for reunification?

Moving Article
I have moved this article to Clemente Dominguez but another user felt compelled to move it back to Cleented Dominguez y Gomez. I think, with regard to spanish proper names, we should decide if we include the maternal name or not in the article title. For example, the article for Francisco Franco Bahamonde is simply 'Francisco Franco' or Vicente Fox Quesada is 'Vicente Fox'. I think this should apply to this article and to all articles of spanish proper personal names, unless the individual is widely known by both surnames.

Thoughts?


 * I think you go by what they're best known as. I'd prefer only going by the Spanish way with Spanish names, but if they're best known with two names you go with that. In a case like this, where it's a fairly obscure topic, I'd be for sticking with cultural accuracy.--T. Anthony 11:01, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree with "generally recognised name" - for example does General Franco ever get called by his full double name in English language publications? Whichever variant is chosen, have a redirect on the other.

The College of Cardinals here is not the same as the one it is linked to (being the Pope in Rome's one).

Jackiespeel 17:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

This not-NPOV stuff
OK, the previous authors have made an effort to neutralize their POV, but at least the sentence:

"However, this argument is insufficient, as the Avignon popes claimed to be bishops of the diocese of Rome, not of a diocese of Avignon."

is still not-NPOV. The section needs yet another NPOVing, and maybe I'll do it myself, when I've calmed down from ROTFLing about this funny stuff. Rursus 20:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Now, i've read the article carefully – i think what's missing is a few "in the opinion of the main church organization", or some such, subordinate clauses in order to neutralize it. (There's a little trouble in the definition of Church, which according to every christian except the LDS:ers, refers to the set of followers of Jesus, irrespective of organization.) I'll see what i may accomplish. Twirling his moustaches, does: Rursus 19:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * A fix made in first paragraph of Palmarian deviation..., but the second para should be rewritten to be readable. The semantics would be as follows:


 * The Roman Catholic church theologicians deem the Palmarian movement to be heretic since it introduces new revelations to a revelation system (??) that is fixed (by church council or dogma this-or-that) . The Palmarian movement rejects this becås ov gazonk yip (imagine something reasonable) . The Roman Catholics also claim being subject to the Roman Pontiff being necessary to obtain salvation, while the Palmarians claim that being subject to the true Roman Pontiff is necessary to obtain salvation, etc., etc..  Twirling his moustaches, does: Rursus 19:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Why all this constant referring to the "Glory of the olives"
Glory of the olives is obviously referring to the so-called Prophecies of St. Malachy. Now if we accept them, then Paul VI. was "flos florum". After that comes "de medietate lunae", attributed in reality to John Paul I. If we furtherly accept the conspiracy theory that Paul VI. was replaced etc. (I don't!!), still the successor could only be "de labore solis" (in reality attributed to John Paul II). Seems they left two Popes out. How so? I know I cannot suppose they are sensible, but that they so totally disregard even interior consistency?--93.135.104.231 (talk) 19:22, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Manuel y Clemente
User:Scolaire removed my link to the film Manuel y Clemente with the summary: dubious – the IMDB entry does not give a plot, but one of the key-words is "gay couple". For a plot, you can read in Spanish. I didn't get to watch the full film, but the characters share lodgings and bathroom, and the El Mundo obituary claims that Clemente was known among Seville gays during the Franco era. --Error (talk) 23:47, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

antipope?
the linked Wiki article on antipope mentions a "significantly accepted competing claim". Is the claim of this man and his successor "significantly accepted"? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 02:43, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

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