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Library denies access to Christians
The Clermont County Public Library has just denied access to Christians. It went further and denied access to even more people. A lawsuit has been filed. I think this activity is noteworthy, but I also think the story is active now and time should be allowed for it to settle. In the meantime, here are my del.icio.us links to media and legal resources on this issue: http://del.icio.us/plan2succeed/ClermontCountyPublicLibrary --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 06:32, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I note the following from history of this Talk page the reason for the improper removal of my first comment from this page by an IP address:


 * 06:34, 18 June 2008 71.174.183.229 (Talk) (178 bytes) (Undid revision 219440798 by LegitimateAndEvenCompelling this user typically adds misleading info promoting the Christian right agenda


 * Note that American Library Association policy, had it been applied, would have prevented this denial of rights. And I wrote about this here:


 * http://safelibraries.blogspot.com/2008/06/library-denies-civil-rights-of.html


 * One could just as easily argue I was promoting the agenda of the American Library Association.


 * 71.174.183.229's attack on me is factually incorrect, and procedurally he/she may not remove my comment from the Talk page for the reasoning done here. Further, it is very wiki unfriendly, to say the least, to do what he/she did and say what he/she did. Let's just stick to my original comment. Thank you. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 11:51, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the relevant policies and guidelines here are WP:NPOV and WP:RS and WP:COIN. What makes del.icio.us a reliable source? Blogs are not generally considered reliable sources here, and citing your own blog has the added disadvantage of being a conflict of interest. Do you have a link to a newspaper story about this, for example? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 11:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with you totally. My links are only here as a starting point for someone who might be interesting in this issue. To be clear, nobody should be adding my blog or my del.icio.us links into this article. Indeed, I will not even edit this article just to ensure I do not introduce POV.


 * That said, the links I gave do provide links to wikiworthy newspaper stories and the like. That is their only value. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 12:09, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your quick reply. Here are two more thoughts. 1) Currently the word "library" does not appear in the article, nor does "lawsuit" or "sue" (or other variations like "librar"). While I think the county library system should be mentioned, I am sure there are several lawsuits involving the county every year, none of which are in the article. See also WP:RECENTISM. 2) It is always helpful to provide the sources directly here, rather than make people dig for them. Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:26, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Np. You are correct about several lawsuits ongoing. But this one is unique, so much so that the media is reporting about it. And for the same reasons the media is reporting on it, it may be encyclopedic here. How many libraries do you know that allow almost anyone to speak, but block out Christians giving a financial seminar that might quote the Bible precisely because they might quote the Bible, then change library policy to block the public from using the room they have been using and that they paid for with their own tax money, and all this in violation of ALA policy. No, this lawsuit is not a dime a dozen. This one is potentially encyclopedic, and on the page where the facts occurred.


 * As to RECENTISM, I agree with you there too. But that is why I originally said, "I think this activity is noteworthy, but I also think the story is active now and time should be allowed for it to settle."


 * As to suggesting specific media links, 1) that's what my delicious link is for, and 2) the story is evolving -- so my updating delicious means anyone who uses my link here gets to see the latest and I do not have to do double work to also add the links here. 3) Further, I did not want to suggest specific links as that might be seen as me putting my spin on things. This being wikipedia and me taking my wiki duties seriously, I want to ensure people think what they want for themselves without my feeding them specific links. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 12:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

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Cleanup
The section called "Politology" is a mess. For one, why is it even called that? And what does that even mean? The section is strangely worded, using odd terminology, for example: 1. Clermont's peoplification, 2. Clermont has been visited by recent national tickets from both Democratic and Republican party sects., 3. Clermont locales are not publicated necessarily along historical or perceived collectivity. Also, why are Prebendalism, Civic virtue, and Social contract listed under "See also"? Two users added the strange material to the article. Is this vandalism or a sesquipedalian at work? Regardless, needs cleanup. Paris1127 (talk) 04:08, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Nota bene: I neglected to include one other possibility: this strange material could also be copied and pasted from somewhere in a book or elsewhere on the internet. That could potentially be a violation of copyright law. Tried using the CopyVios detector, but it couldn't detect anything. Still, it doesn't necessarily mean there aren't violations: I once had to do some digging to find where something was copied/pasted from, which the Duplication Detector later agreed was a possible violation. Paris1127 (talk) 04:14, 30 July 2018 (UTC)