Talk:Climate change in Europe

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This article needs to be rewritten by an expert in this field of study who either speaks English as a first language, or is at the very least more fluent in English than the original contributor. I am researching this topic for a university assignment and was sorely disappointed to see that almost every sentence on this page is either completely grammatically incorrect, or, in some cases, don't make any sense at all.

58.96.104.183 (talk) 10:58, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

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Nuclear power phase-out
European Union gave reduced climate change cut demands for Sweden based on intended reduction or nuclear power phase-out. Analogically countries that increase their share of nuclear power, like Finland, should have increased climate change demands. Why is this not discussed and included in negotiations last years? Watti Renew (talk) 17:23, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Peat energy and peat soil CO2
Peat energy is national coal in Finland. Last ten years its share has increased in energy in Finland. IEA changed CO2 calculation criteria in 2012 including CO2 of forest reserves. It seems for me that it does not include the lost CO2 in peat soils compared to not using peat as energy or not having ditched the peat soil lands. Please clarify. Further national environmental organizations do not agree with the Finnish government aims to use wood and peat as only increased renewable sources. Why does EU not demand to use also other new renewable energy sources like wind power, solar power and geothermal heating? Watti Renew (talk) 17:32, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Copying from the Page Climate Change Mitigation
I will copy some content from the page Climate change mitigation to this page. I am the sole autor of what I go to copy, so, according to the Copying within Wikipedia I do not need to make further attribution

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New additions
I am going to be adding information on the Paris Agreement in 2016 to this page to update new legislation that was drafted in Europe about Climate Change.

Thinking of using these websites as sources:

https://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/international/negotiations/paris_en

http://www.businessinsider.com/195-countries-that-signed-paris-climate-agreement-accord-deal-2017-5

I added a section on agriculture under emissions. Under the emissions section, only coal is talked about. I thought it could be added on to. Camrynli19 (talk) 03:12, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Merge Climate change in the European Union to here?
I see that hatnotes have already been added by User:Chidgk1 to flag the problem: there is significant overlap between this article and the one on Climate change in the European Union. I propose to merge the other article into here but to keep distinct sections when it comes to policies of the EU (which then won't apply to all countries) and emissions from just the EU. The information about the individual countries would be the same for all those European countries that are in the EU. - If merging is seen as not ideal, please propose alternative options so that the country information is not repeated in both articles. EMsmile (talk) 04:00, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Chidgk1, how do you feel about my proposed merger? The alternative would be to set them up as two separate articles: One would be Climate change in the European Union and one would be Climate change in non-EU European countries but I think that would be not ideal. Rather make it Climate change in Europe and then within there, make the distinction if necessary, e.g. for greenhouse gas emissions by the EU as a whole. EMsmile (talk) 04:37, 26 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Support - if it becomes too large later on then "Greenhouse gas emissions by the European Union" could be spun off. Chidgk1 (talk) 07:59, 27 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Support Especially since the article Climate change in the European Union is shallow and of quite poor quality. Olle Terenius (UU) (talk) 20:18, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Scope and structure
Thanks User:Chidgk1 for carrying out the merger of Climate change in the European Union into here. I am undecided what the best structure is from here one: First all the standard headings for Europe as a whole and then all the standard headings for just the EU? No, that doesn't make sense. So the standard headings just once and then information for the EU, and then for non-EU countries? So I wouldn't split into Europe/EU but into EU/non-EU countries. What do you think? EMsmile (talk) 09:24, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I've done some work on tidying up along those lines, but more is still needed. EMsmile (talk) 14:52, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * User:EMsmile Yes I agree with you about the structure being EU/non-EU as, for example, UK agriculture policy might become very different from EU policy.

But re scope on balance I think the article should include just the European parts of countries which are only partly in Europe i.e. Turkey and Russia. One reason being that (if I understand right) the northwards movement of the Hadley cell will only affect the Asian part of Turkey. Another reason being that Russia is a huge country. But that is not a strong opinion so as you seem to be including all of those countries if you decide to stick with that maybe just put some sticky note on this talk page to let future editors know. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:41, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, I don't understand how this could be done?: "I think the article should include just the European parts of countries which are only partly in Europe" For example if we wanted to write about mitigation, adaptation, political response for Russia and Turkey: would we find this information split by "European part of Russia" and "Asian part of Russia"? If yes, then we could explain that. I haven't dug into it yet, am just working at a superficial structure level at this stage. If you have references handy which explain this, please add them in the article; would be useful. EMsmile (talk) 23:49, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorted by EU vs. non-EU rather than by region?
I propose shifting the "by country" section's subheadings to being by European region - for example, Northern Europe, Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Southern Europe etc... I think this is a bit more informative than EU vs. non-EU, which I think was a legacy of this being moved from an article about the EU. Any thoughts? Arcahaeoindris (talk) 20:37, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, or perhaps we just put it in alphabetical order? As sometimes it might not be clear what constitutes Northern, Eastern etc. exactly. EMsmile (talk) 11:09, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Misleading first sentence of article
It says that Europe is "2.3 °C (2022) warmer than pre-industrial times" (my paraphrasing). While, as per the linked reference source, Europe's average 2022 temperature was 2.3 °C above the pre-industrial average, climate comparisons are between periods, not individual years (this goes back to the climate-vs-weather distinction). So, if we wanted to start out with a quantification of how much warming has occurred since pre-industrial times, we should pick a recent time period for which climate data is available (e.g. last 30 years, 1950s-present, etc).

Thanks,

Chernorizets (talk) 02:56, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. I think it's not a suitable first sentence and if we wanted to keep it we should add a citation. Also we should say what the reference period for this statement is. It might be the average of 1900 to 1950. We've had discussions about suitable reference periods on many talk pages, see e.g. here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ocean_heat_content#The_lead_image_is_unclear_to_me . We've also talked about what to call it exactly, baseline or reference period... - So in any case, please go ahead and change it (you, or anyone else watching this page). EMsmile (talk) 07:02, 24 July 2023 (UTC)