Talk:Climate change in Tuvalu

Engineering
The article should consider mentioning whether there have ever been proposals to re-engineer the island by building dams or by raising the ground level by several dozens of feet. For instance, the local government could attempt to apply the techniques used to construct artificial islands, by which the seafloor is modified for geographical purposes. ADM (talk) 02:40, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Problem
This article has a problem, in that it isn't about climate change in Tuvalu. It is about sea level rise and its affects on Tuvalu. Sea level isn't really climate. Changes in sea level can be an effect of climate change, but that's not the same thing William M. Connolley (talk) 21:57, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, "Effects of climate change on Tuvalu" would be a much better title. 83.254.192.84 (talk) 18:03, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

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Question
I am looking at this article and I see a recent update using this link:

https://kmt.news/2018/03/19/tuvalu-pm-refutes-aut-research/

What is the standard of proof needed on Wikipedia? I ask because this article seems to suggest that an elected official can single handedly "refute" the published scientific findings from the University of Auckland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by I.AM.4D1416411561156 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The PM said Tuvalu is not gaining habitable real estate. If that is a refutation of the U of Aukland, then U of Aukland must have claimed they are gaining habitable real estate.  Is that really what U of Aukland said?   If you think that is the case, please provide a citation and quote to back you up.  Otherwise, the Tuvalu PM is speaking about the development of the lands in his nation, of which he can be considered an expert, and he's not actually "refuting" anything because U of Aukland didn't talk about habitability.  But I don't really know which way it goes.  Since you are the one with the issue here, why don't YOU look up U of Aukland's report, and if it backs you up then quote the operative language and we'll go from there? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 21:09, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

You make a reasonable point, I was just going by the title of the article being referenced, "TUVALU PM REFUTES AUT RESEARCH", which claims that the PM is "refuting" the research from the U of A. If I follow the link provided in your edit comment I see this listed:

"As in the body of the article itself, the emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources. Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article."

I guess your point calls into question just how reliable this source is. They are claiming that the PM is refuting the scientific research from U of A, when as you point out he does no such thing.

I also see from the "About KMT" description of this source that it is actually a small local newspaper. Is this really considered reliable given that the PM likely has significant influence on the content of it? This all seems rather dubious to me.

I propose that we simply clarify the sources of the claims, one being the U of A and the other being the PM of Tuvalu so that readers will know how important each is. Is this satisfactory? — Preceding unsigned comment added by I.AM.4D1416411561156 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 26 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Looking at the actual reference (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5807422/) the main conclusion in the abstract appears to be "Results challenge perceptions of island loss, showing islands are dynamic features that will persist as sites for habitation over the next century, presenting alternate opportunities for adaptation that embrace the heterogeneity of island types and their dynamics." So yes, the U of A conclusion is referring to habitable sites.


 * I will add this information into the body of the article as you suggest to that the summary in the lead adheres to the manual of style that you point to.


 * I.AM.4D1416411561156 (talk) 22:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I have incorporated both references into the body of the article and updated the summary in the lead to reflect these changes. I.AM.4D1416411561156 (talk) 23:41, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

An even better reference for the overall atoll situation is a liteature review that happened this year. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 11:01, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Suggested changes to headings and structure
I suggest to change the headings and structure of this article to be in line with the template that has been proposed here for all articles of the nature "Climate change in Country X": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Climate_change/Style_guide (see also discussion on that page's talk page). Anyone has any objections? If not, who's got time to give it a go? I am slowly working away at this for all the countries but would love some collaborators.EMsmile (talk) 15:56, 15 February 2021 (UTC)