Talk:Climate change in literature

The Drowned World
Shame not to include The Drowned World as an early exmpale, even though it is natural cl ch William M. Connolley (talk) 22:29, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

The Gonzaga Manuscripts
Clarence's color grew very high and he looked dazed. He paid no attention to his broiled meat and French fried potatoes. "I don't keep up much with science," he said. "I remember I did read somewhere that industry gives off six billion tons of carbon dioxide every year and so the earth is growing warmer because the carbon dioxide in the air is opaque to heat radiation. All that means that the glaciers won't be coming back."

from Saul Bellow's "The Gonzaga Manuscripts"

PUBLISHED IN 1954 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.104.144.151 (talk) 07:33, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Climate change in literature
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Climate change in literature's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "sy": From Clive Hamilton: Steven Yearley. Book of the week: Requiem for a Species Times Higher Education, 3 June 2010. From Requiem for a Species:  

Reference named "stek": From Merchants of Doubt: Mike Steketee. Some sceptics make it a habit to be wrong The Australian, 20 November 2010. From Naomi Oreskes: Mike Steketee. Some sceptics make it a habit to be wrong The Australian, November 20, 2010. 

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:36, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Johnfos (talk) 02:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Nine notability issues
The article lists books and plays without citing reliable sources to indicate they're notable. Exodus, Zenith, Aurora -- no citations at all. Glass House -- citation is to amazon.com. The Sea and the Summer -- no citations at all. Back to the garden -- citation is to amazon.com. At the edge of the game -- citation is to amazon.com. "a dialogue in poems" (no title) -- the cited site doesn't mention poems. Feeling the Pressure -- citation is a dead link. The Drowned Book -- no citation at all. One Nineteen -- the cited site doesn't mention One Nineteen. How many people will object to removal of any or all of the above? Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:37, 7 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Hmm. I see your point. And references to a 1962 book hardly support Anthropogenic climate change is an emerging topic in literature, increasingly.... But if you take out the fiction, you're left with a few non-fiction books, and that hardly amounts to "literature"; so you're effectively asking to delete/redirect the page. Which might be the best idea William M. Connolley (talk) 18:37, 7 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I hadn't thought of a total article deletion, but you're right that might be the best idea. Some of what remains is duplicated by Climate_change_in_popular_culture or Category:Climate_change_books. But first I want a few days to see whether this proposed deletion of a subset causes other comment. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 13:57, 8 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I have removed all the above-mentioned items. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 00:51, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

-273.15 and Earth Shattering
The lead sentence of this Wikipedia article says "Anthropogenic climate change is an emerging topic in literature, increasingly taken as a major theme or element of plot." Judging by the single citation and judging by the descriptions of the publisher (Bloodaxe books) -273.15 and Earth shattering http://www.bloodaxebooks.com/titlepage.asp?isbn=1852246790 http://www.bloodaxebooks.com/titlepage.asp?isbn=1852247746 are poetry collections about ecology in general, for example a Genesis variation, something by Keats, and "ancient Chinese wilderness poetry". Yes, climate change is mentioned, but there's no claim that anthropogenic climate change is a major theme. How many people will object to removal of -273.1 [sic] and Earth shattering from the Poetry section? Peter Gulutzan (talk) 17:08, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I have removed the above-mentioned items. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:01, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Removing non-fiction
The Wikipedia article on Literature says the "literary" nature of science writing has become less pronounced over the last two centuries. That's apparent for the four books which get lengthy descriptions in this article's non-fiction section -- the descriptions don't mention plot, style, technique, creativity, vocabulary, influence, or any other term that might suggest they've been selected for literary nature. And when I looked at other Wikipedia articles with comparable titles (Blindness in literature, Cross-dressing in literature, Detroit in literature, Family life in literature, Fourth dimension in literature, Hercule Poirot in literature, Robots in literature) I found no lists of non-fiction books. (Okay, I found one exception: Synesthesia in literature.) For a non-selective list we already have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Climate_change_books. How many people will object to removal of the non-fiction section? Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:47, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I have removed the non-fiction section. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 13:36, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposed move of five items to another article
There are five items in Climate change in literature which are not in Climate change in popular culture: The Drowned World, Mother of Storms, The Carbon Diaries: 2015 (sic), Far North, The Contingency Plan. I propose to add them to Climate change in popular culture, then do a blank-and-redirect on Climate change in literature. Reasoning: readers can find all climate-change-in-literature items in one place. But if there are definite objections on the talk page of either article, I won't bother. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 23:34, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

In May 2013 I exchanged emails with Theo Piecuch of Wikipedia about why the book Back to the Garden was taken down from the Climate Change in Popular Culture Page. He said that the editors at the time didn't feel that the book did not meet Wiki's notability requirements. I was also surprised to see that many popular cli-fi books are not listed at Wikipedia, including by authors such as Barbara Kingsolver, Nathaniel Rich, and Margaret Atwood, among many others. Perhaps because anthropogenic climate change has brought on a very new genre, certainly not known of back when some of the books listed on this page were published, the page needs to be looked at more closely in order to be up-to-date.

As far as updated reference for Hume's novel's mentions:

1. Dissent Magazine: Cli-fi: Birth of a Genre 2. Wiki page Cli-fi (reviewed by the person who coined the phrase) 3. [ http://www.amazon.com/Back-Garden-Clara-Hume/dp/1927685001/ Amazon] 4. Cli-Fi Central: Interview with Dan Bloom 5. Cli-Fi Books.

Duende Sands (talk) 19:24, 18 August 2013 (UTC)