Talk:Climate ethics

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This page is very poorly-developed. A more serious discussion is warranted.

--76.10.147.186 (talk) 00:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

As of November 2007, most of the information in this article comes from the Collaborative Program on the Ethical Dimensions of Climate Change website. It needs information from other sources. I've put some links that looked promising in the External links section of the article. I would say the way to go here is to condense the article's present content and add new stuff (not necessarily in that order). Possibly, a separate article on the Collaborative Program on the Ethical Dimensions of Climate Change could be started. La la ooh 15 November 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 00:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the topic needs to be developed more and made more current with the Copenhagen discussions - with day-by-day updates, not as a chronicle, but as substantive discussions deepen the understanding of the issues presented in the summary article here in Wikipedia.

I'm glad someone was able to secure a page outlining some of the issues, but I think (my opinion here) that the article seems to talk much about Pennsylvania, and I know that a number of academic programs treat these issues very seriously - as matters of both science and ethics. What about New York University's bioethics program that addresses these issues? Climate responsibility MaynardClark (talk) 18:35, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad that the TERM "Climate responsibility" was redirected here, but I'd saddened that the redirect from Climate responsibility didn't include also some of the content on the nature of ethical reflection. MaynardClark (talk)

Hello, I am the author of a new article on ‘Climate Justice’ that was PRODed in December 2009. Though I requested that it be undeleted and the article has been restored, it is still not available via the main search function on Wikipedia. It was specifically intended to be a separate article from the pre-existing ‘Climate Ethics’ article, a goal that is justified on the basis of the following: The terms “ethics” (taken from Webster’s dictionary to mean “the discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and obligation”) and “justice” (“the maintenance or administration of what is just” or the “quality of conforming to law”) are not synonymous terms. Thus, by extension, neither are the terms “climate ethics” and “climate justice” synonymous. While “climate ethics” can be taken to refer to a “new and growing area of research that focuses on the ethical dimensions of climate change” (as the opening line of the current climate ethics article states), climate justice has a different and more specific meaning: Climate Justice is a concept according to which people everywhere deserve to live in safety from climate change; the world’s poor – who are least responsible for climate change - should not suffer the brunt of its impact; and younger and future generations should not have to live out their lives in an increasingly devastated and dangerous environment. I am pushing for the Climate Justice article I submitted to reappear; it is now available in my sandboxUser:JLeland123/sandbox. Thanks. JLeland123 (talk) 11:42, 21 January 2010

hey - if it helps you can find quite a bit of information for a climate justice page on the Climate Justice Now and Durban group For Climate Justice website. 01:28, 2 July 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.171.69.28 (talk)

'Public goods' comparisons

Climate and environmental conditions are public goods. Infrastructure resources (economy, healthcare, transportation, education, social concern and resilience, etc.) are public goods. We have public goods ethicists reflecting upon other public goods; why aren't we drawing reasonable parallels between reflections about those public goods and the ethical issues involved in climate and environmental conditions? Perhaps such comparisons could help to develop the depth of ethical reflections around climate and environmental conditions. MaynardClark (talk) 22:47, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

'Who's left holding the bag?' Core discussions of 'responsibility' are to be found in this type of analysis? There are discussions about this (and maybe it's better that they be left that way): Can and should 'ethical discussions' (not merely advocacy exercises) be identified and outlined in Wikipedia? MaynardClark (talk) 22:09, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) Younger persons will be left with the consequences about decisions that unfold in climate disruption.
 * 2) Those most willing to pay may not be those most able to pay, whether or not they believe themselves most likely to be impacted by remediation or doing nothing.
 * 3) The cost of doing nothing has been explored in many other areas where advocates have sought buy-in for major changes or overhauls.
 * 4) Vilifying some and sanctifying others may not be consistent with a broader view of 'behavioral evidence' for how all persons conduct their entire lives.
 * 5) There will be mitigation costs, and dull ears were turned toward those who warned us of the very short window on slowing or reversing climate change.

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'Public goods' Comparisons
Climate and environmental conditions are public goods. Infrastructure resources (economy, healthcare, transportation, education, social concern and resilience, etc.) are public goods. We have public goods ethicists reflecting upon other public goods; why aren't we drawing reasonable parallels betweeen reflections about those public goods and the ethical issues involved in climate and environmental conditions? Perhaps such comparisons could help to develop the depth of ethical reflections around climate and environmental conditions. MaynardClark (talk) 22:47, 15 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Healthcare isn't a public good because it isn't non-rivalrous William M. Connolley (talk) 23:01, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your worthwhile comment. However, I continue to think that such a resource AS healthcare can and does exist CAN be considered a public good when historical periods are compared with one another.  Today an organ transplantation is physically possible, whereas in 1450 or 1650 or 1850 it was not technically feasible. Whether or not a resource is practically accessible in a non-rivalrous is a different issue, IMO.  Of course, we could say that air and water are ordinarily non-rivalrous when uses are not poisonous/toxic or offensive but become rivalrous under some conditions.  But then... MaynardClark (talk) 23:56, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Ethical theory
Can the disciplines of Climate ethics, Medical ethics, and Legal ethics be compared rigorously and methodically? For instance, if ethical reasoning is done differently by different schools of ethical theory (e.g. consequentialism (or ) or deontology or virtue ethics, do these variables play into how ethical theories contribute to Climate ethics, Medical ethics, and Legal ethics? Also, some theorists focus upon allocation of goods, including access to services, while others talk about optimizing response to harms. So topics covered and types of topics being covered would be interesting to show comparatively in a chart. MaynardClark (talk) 19:13, 26 June 2021 (UTC)