Talk:Climate of Vancouver/Archive 1

Rain and Snow
How weird that the snow section is five times as long as the rain section...Skookum1 21:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Refering to Toronto's snowiest month on record as January 1999 is incorrect. That was Toronto's snowiest "January", the snowiest month on record was March 1870 with 158.5 cm of snow.

(source:http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/climateData/monthlydata_e.html)

Untitled
-The official number of storms per year at YVR as per Envirnment Canada is actually 6.1 http://www.vancouver.weatherpage.ca/climate.html (source originally from EC). As for the time of year they occur I disagree with what was posted here. Its completly contrary to the official Environment Canada's record on the climate. The month with the most frequent number of thunderstorms in Vancouver is August with 1.2 thunderstorm days per year. Many of these storms are weak and may only produce one or two lightning flashes and the general public often doesn't notice.--24.83.116.205 09:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Where is the source for 4 to 6 thunderstomrs per year? Seems to me 2 per year is unusual.
 * table could come earlier - replaces lots of inexact verbiage
 * table also does not make Vancouver article any less readable because of length - people can quickly choose to skip it or read it - and if they skip they know what they've missed & what they have not missed. It is certainly of wider interest than former sports teams. The Vancouver article is now just 46 kB - and starting to look too short --JimWae 06:57, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Notable Winters of Vancouver
The article Notable Winters of Vancouver was proposed for deletion. I think that a separate article does not make sense at this point, but the information from this article (all or a part of it) can be useful here, so I am proposing a merge (Liberatore, 2006). 11:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * merge - Jack (talk) 20:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * delete - I think it's utterly superfluous, and is going to turn into a weather-memories bulletin board; like the big blizz of '96 that dumped 12ft on Victoria and brought hurricane-force outflow winds to the Fraser Valley; or xmas 67 or any number of earlier storms. The Canadian obsession with winter, and with whether or not BC has one, is BORING.Skookum1 15:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hear hear - Jack (talk) 17:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Skookum. Carson 02:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

-As a Vancouverite (actually from Richmond) I am very interested in Vancouver's weather. Records of previous storms should be noted as it can help in future major weather events like a repeat of "typhoon Freda" which hit in 1962. Interesting enough I do see some inconsistancies between different recounts of the historical events but they will get straightened out over time. Eventually Wikipedia will contain all of the knowledge in the world and information such as this (user accounts of historical weather) is useful.--24.83.116.205 09:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC) Fine if it's all kinds of extreme/memorable weather; but singling out winter is, speaking as a born Vancouverite, something that newcomers from Eastern Canada seem to need to talk about; we'd rather not...i.e. the contrast to the rest of Canada is superfluous from the Vancouverite perspective; we might as well compare Norway's or Japan's too; the use of "winter" is inherently that Canadian bias; why not also talk about dry/wet summers or spring freshets (which are more relevant in the locao context)?Skookum1 16:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Vancouver's notable winters are boring. But for the record, winter 1935-1936 was a doozy-caused nearly as much damage to Stanley Park as typhoon freida.Bobanny 08:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Section on recent unusual weather
The section on recent unusual weather was written last year. It's poorly written and the information in it is out of date in that most of the unknowns are now know but have yet to be collected. I recommend deleting it unless someone cleans it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.85.230.167 (talk) 05:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I rewrote the article for clarity, including the "Recent unusual weather" section, which is now titled "Severe weather." The article is currently lacking in terms of sources, but, I'll leave filling in those gaps to another editor. I put up a  template for the time being. -Severa ( !!! ) 11:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Daylight
Why doesn't the daylight section mention summer? I came to the page looking for information on the amount of sunlight in Vancouver in comparison to other cities. If the heading is "Daylight", then starting with "Winters in Vancouver can be dark..." and not talking about summer seems rather incomplete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.119.170.242 (talk) 00:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Statistics Section
How come the rainfall and snowfall have different units of measurements, one is cm and the other is mm? I think they should both be the same unit of measuremant, it would be less confusing. And also some of monthly totals don't seemed to have been added up properly. Canuck85 00:08, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Environment Canada reports rainfall in mm & snowfall in cm. The sums are also from Environment Canada & likely there are rounding off margins that affect results. THere is also no definitive way to convert cm of snowfall into mm of precip, so rounding is less precise - but more accurate --JimWae 03:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

cm and mm *are* the same units. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.184.179.244 (talk) 00:51, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

This temperature data seems unlikely
From the article:


 * The coldest month on record at Vancouver International Airport was January 1950, with an average of -6.3°C (20.6 F), a high of -2.9°C (26.7 F), and low of -9.7°C (14.5 F).

An absolute range of less than 7°C in a full month? That does seem remarkable. Can someone provide a specific source for this (ie not just "Environment Canada data") please? Loganberry (Talk) 03:44, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

The sentence is poorly written. It should say "an average low of -9.7°C (14.5 F) and an average high of -2.9°C (26.7 F), for a combined average of -6.3°C (20.6 F). Fluffyblue (talk) 16:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Even so, Vancouver's climate is very mild and a variation less than 7 degrees in one month is not hard to conceive....Skookum1 (talk) 19:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Xmas blizzard 1996
this is mentioned, but only in passing; weather-event articles by and large seem to be based on recent memory, despite Hurricane Freda having an article...the 1996 blizzard I remember well as I got caught in Mission for the duration; winds in Abbotsford/Mission were hurricane force, snowfall was ridiculous and mostly sideways; of course Abby-Mission is more in the Upper Fraser Valley climate zone, where you get huge ice storms in the Chilliwack area (one year back in the late '60s/early '70s I remember 1.5 feet - feet of ice in Chilliwack, which crumpled transmission towers like tinsel...anyway about 1996 the snowfall in Victoria was without wind; but something like twelve feet in 24 hours, with only two Bobcats as the city's entire snow removal equipment; not many car accidents because, well, most cars were buried for a few days....a friend of mine hosted about six taxi drivers who were stranded near her apartment in Esquimalt...anyway that particular storm could use more coverage, i think; not as spectacular as the "Hannukah Eve" windstorm but significant enough to have more coverage....also noting hte 1971/72 data and that things are classified by calendar year rather than by winter...."by winter" seems to make more sense, but I gather the data isn't sorted that way and it would be OR to re-jig it by actual winter/season rather than splitting the winters in two via calendar years; a series of blizzards/weather in late December is, after all, the same weather/winter as in the first weeks of January; it doesn't make sense to me to count data from Januuary 1971 with that from December 1971; January 1972 seems a lot more relevant to Dec 1971 huh?Skookum1 (talk) 19:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Where in Surrey?
Noting the Surrey table, where in Surrey are these figures from? Because Whalley/North Surrey gets a WHOLE lot more rain than Cloverdale/Newton and parts south of there....there should also be data out there for New West, UBC, Port Moody and certain other locations (e.g. Boundary Bay Airport and Pitt Meadows Airport have weather stations). Surprised Canada Place is only 62.5", I'd heard the 70" figure mentioend elsewhere for years; but conceivably there could be a difference between Canada Place and, say, Seymour & Robson - based on elevation alone (and/or if t he measuring station is high on a tower...).Skookum1 (talk) 19:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Similarly, UBC could be quite a bit drier; it's often sunny on campus when even West 10th is socked in with rain....and out on teh tip of Whytecliffe in West Van it can be semi-sunny and only "spitting" there when it's a downpour in Horseshoe Bay/Caulfield.....there's rainfall measures out there for Deep Cove, too, I think; definitely for Port Moody though not sure where the station is....I've been looking for an isohyet map of the region but can't find one online, though maybe in various PDFs that turned up it's out there; but there couldn't be a clearer way to show microclimates; temperature won't vary much but rainfall certainly does, i.e. across different parts of the city.Skookum1 (talk) 19:44, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Vancouver second warmest Canadian city
These influences contribute to making Vancouver the second warmest of Canada's major cities. Which one is the first? SaintCahier 02:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Chilliwack, BC is the warmest year-round. . Sunray 07:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Chilliwack, BC is not a major city. It's Canada's warmest _city_, but not Canada's warmest _major_ city. The sentence is factually incorrect. That is, it is false. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.85.230.167 (talk) 05:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Victoria is Canada's warmest major city

Victoria is a major Canadian city and is warmer year round than Vancouver. It should be noted as Victoria gets half the rain than Vancouver. The same link can be used to verify this as the link is to enviroment Canada and not to Vancouver per se. Im gonna change it to Vancouver is the second warmest which is more factually accurate. We can even use the same link as explained above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.67.19.208 (talk) 22:13, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

new weather box

 * 1) The earlier weatherbox in Climate of Vancouver was better organized than the present one - and the show/hide button is now hard to find - and also moves around (show is not where hide was on screen)
 * 2) also the extremes are gone - I can see not putting extremes in the Vancouver article, but if someone goes to Climate of Vancouver they obviously want more infoJimWae (talk) 22:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)




 * go to Template:Vancouver weatherbox; I commented out, but did not remove, the extremes, and normally do so for most places that have mild winters (i.e. January or July averages above 0 C). I commented them out so that other users who wish to restore them would not have to retype the data up.
 * the template is here and on the main page to save a ridiculous amount of coding. I would likely not have created the template if it were not for the existence of this article. --- 华钢琴49 (TALK) 22:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) I had already unremarked the other data
 * 2) earlier chart here separated temps from other data - even a horizontal blank line (as vertical one between DEC & year) would be an improvement
 * 3) there's a stray  on the chart--JimWae (talk) 22:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


 * First off, I fixed the issue: the second 'ref' mark was misplaced. That issue is resolved. Second, let's have a third party also participate? I have not seen many articles with this type of situation. ask for an improvement (i.e. thick line between DEC and YEAR) at Template:Infobox weather. I agree that the previous separation was useful, but again, for the purpose of coding... at the Infobox weather template, you could also ask for separation of temperature and other data as was previously. --- 华钢琴49 (TALK) 22:56, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

"Japan Current"
Can we remove the uncited information about the Japan current supposedly keeping Vancouver mild through the winter months? People act as though Vancouver's climate were "unusually mild" for its latitude and then throw around the "Japan current" as an explanation. In fact, Vancouver is COMPLETELY TYPICAL for its latitude in every aspect except its pronounced seasonality of rainfall (dry summers/wet winters are more reminiscent of a mediterranean-type rainfall regime). However, the temperatures year-round in Vancouver are actually pretty typical for a mid-latitude west coast oceanic climate; perhaps a little warmer than most in the summer, and a little cooler than many equivalent locations in the winter (i.e. western Europe at similar latitudes). The explanation for this "unusual" mildness for the latitude is that Vancouver is on the west coast of a continent and thus receives the bulk of its air masses from the Pacific Ocean (since weather generally moves from west to east). The east coast at similar latitudes has much colder winters because the air masses they receive have been travelling over the freezing interior of the continent before arriving there. It's a simple explanation, isn't "unusual" at all, and has little if anything to do with the Japan current.

So, can we remove that please?24.85.35.167 (talk) 18:39, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Duh, well since the Russian Far East and Labrador are also at the same latitude, your logic falls flat; "typical of west coast climates...and warmer than most" is a strange statement, given the noticeably warmer climate in Oregon and Northern Callifornia; evidently you were meaning Europe, but that's the only other west coast climate in the Northern Hemisphere. And as is a well-known fact, Western Europe is warmed/moderated by the Gulf Stream in teh same way the Japan Current is known to moderate the Pacific Northwest climate. In any case, the Japan current rationale is far more widely published (in every elementary school and high school lesson served up in BC schools, in fact) than anything you're posited here; of all the things in the article that are without "citation needed" requests, it's the most obvious and most widely-known. I don't have any books handy but there are any number of histories and geographies that say this, starting right in the mid-19th Century....Skookum1 (talk) 21:21, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

climate color coding
The color coding of the multiple climate sections is inconsistent. Green and blue shading seem to be applied differently in the first box than in the next two. Does anyone know how that is accomplished? It all seems to be in a weatherbox and I don't see how to check the content or to edit it (which I would be reluctant to do in any case since I don't know how it is done). LUxlii (talk) 22:23, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

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