Talk:Clint Black/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: MathewTownsend (talk · contribs) 12:55, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * review

etc.
 * suggest first heading should be "Early life"
 * "Personal life" should be moved down - as in Reba McEntire for example.
 * likewise "Marriages and family" should be removed and those two sentence put under "Personal life".
 * suggested TOC
 * 1) Early life
 * 2) Music career
 * 1989–1991: Early career
 * 1992: Lawsuits and The Hard Way
 * 1993–1999
 * 1999–Present: Later career
 * 1) Songwriting
 * question whether the section "Collaborations" is needed. His biggest collaboration is with Hayden Nicholas, which is under "Career" above and also under "Songwriting". The others can be mention under the relevant "Music career" section.
 * any info on how Black and Nicholas collaborated? Did both write music and lyrics, or did Black primarily write the lyrics, or what.
 * 1) Film and television
 * 2) Musical styles and legacy (suggested)
 * "Musical styles and legacy" section is needed to cover his overall contributions to country music. Here his voice could be described as it never is in the article. His skills as a musician, type of music he played. Any instrumentals?  His influence on other performers. etc.
 * 1) Personal life
 * 2) Awards
 * 3) Discography
 * 4) Filmography


 * "after singers George Strait and Reba McEntire transformed the genre" - meaning returned it to its early days e.g. George Jones etc.?
 * there seems to be little mention of his abilities as a musician. That he played the guitar is noted. But in the infobox it says he played additionally bass, harmonica, keyboards, drums. When did he play these? On his own records, in performances etc. How good was he as a musician?
 * Under "Songwriting" - what were the themes of his songs. Sample lyrics?
 * apparently his career as a singer has declined? Mostly he appears in television now?
 * what were his performances like? Did he have a lot of backup? What instruments/singers backed him up? How big/long were his tours, or did he tour? Did he only perform in Nashville? Was he mostly a recording artist rather than a performer?

Will put on hold now. Please feel free to comment/disagree with me. MathewTownsend (talk) 12:55, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ps - there are four dead links marked. MathewTownsend (talk) 17:45, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * one of the dead links is to a quote, so remove the quote and the dead link, or find a working link for the quote. MathewTownsend (talk) 17:02, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * CLINT BLACK is a mirror site of wikipedia and can't be used to back up this article. MathewTownsend (talk) 17:20, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Mirror site meaning it mirrors the Wikipedia article? I will have to remove the quote as there is not an additional source now that the link to the Smiley interview is dead.  I did most of the TOC changes and am working on the Musical styles and legacy section.  Most descriptions of his voice are long on platitudes and short on descriptions.  I am thinking using, "His voice is described as a smooth baritone and was initially compared to Merle Haggard."Tomsv 98 (talk) 17:36, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the source was using the wikipedia article. I looked around for another source but couldn't find anything. Great that you are fixing the article and recognize the "platitudes" pitfalls! MathewTownsend (talk) 23:00, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * reply
 * I'm still working on it. I'll delete the mirror reference now and figure out what I did delete by using history. Tomsv 98 (talk) 19:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I added a different quote from another source. Revert if you don't like. Change it to the way you want. MathewTownsend (talk) 18:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * reply
 * I like it. I did find one other comment he made comparing that album to his previous, but the one you find is much better.Tomsv 98 (talk) 19:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I did remove that section all except Steve Wariner and Bruce Hornsby are covered elswhere in the article.Tomsv 98 (talk) 19:35, 19 July 2012 (UTC) I think the article is in good shape now. You can tell from the history that I've made several edits that you are free to change, interspersed with yours. I think its a good article now.
 * Collaboration
 * reply

GA review-see WP:WIAGA for criteria (and here for what they are not)

Thank you, I enjoyed doing this. My eventual goal is to make sure all Grand Ole Opry members have good articles. There are only 68 of them.Tomsv 98 (talk) 20:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Good work. Congratulations! MathewTownsend (talk) 19:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Good work. Congratulations! MathewTownsend (talk) 19:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Good work. Congratulations! MathewTownsend (talk) 19:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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