Talk:Clint Malarchuk

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EDIT 5.29.2013 I'm not sure how to handle this so I figured it best to post here and let someone more experienced sort it out. Much of the information in the Gun Incident section has now been contradicted by Clint and Joan Malachuk themselves, in on-camera interviews for ESPN's 30-for-30 series which can be seen here. Specifically:

"Malarchuk was discovered bleeding profusely on a bench by his wife, Joan, who had just arrived home from work, and she immediately called the authorities." This is contradicted by Joan who states on-camera that she spoke to Clint leading up to the shooting, and in fact she witnessed it happen.

Also:

"Nevada's Record Courier reported that, according to his wife, Malarchuk, who was hunting rabbits at the time, had rested the rifle between his legs and with its butt on the ground when it suddenly discharged." This is contradicted by Joan who states on-camera that she spoke to Clint in the moments before the shooting and that he was making suicidal remarks.

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"Still, Malarchuk came within minutes of becoming only the second on-ice fatality in NHL history (the first, and thus far only, was Bill Masterton)."

Well, according to Masterton's page he didn't die on the ice he died 2 days later as a result. Contradiction here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.59.85.183 (talk) 03:02, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Howie Morenz also died due to an on-ice NHL incident - complications of a broken leg. Since Masterson also died days after the incident, I think both should be included. Im.a.lumberjack (talk) 19:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Howie Morenz died from indirect causes, Masterson died due to direct trauma caused on ice. Malachuk would have died on ice had he been on the other side of the rink.

Can someone with an account please add this image of the player/injury in question: http://tinypic.com/dfueeb.jpg

I'm a goaltender myself, and possibly people reading this are. We don't really need a horrific image like that since young goalies and young persons may see it. And, Yes I have seen the video, can't link to that or the picture... Brak710101 21:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Censorship? On an Encylopedia? Because of the age of users? That's a terrible excuse to stunt someone's education. Next you'll want to ban D.A.R.E. and TRUTH because it exposes children to grotesque images and knowledge about drugs.

Considering that wikipedia has links to a very grotesque site in regards to an Westerner being beheaded this is a gross inconsistency to block a link to this hockey video. Also for safety reasons, it may be a strong tool to see this video to deter people from not wearing safety mechanisms. I've tried very hard to find a video of it and can't!

I'm new to submitting info and not a good writer. This player also had a very close call with death when he mixed alcohol with a medication. Also, I heard that at least one (possibly 3) persons had a heart attack in the crowd and that several of his teammates and/or opponents vomited. --germankcc@yahoo.com


 * The video is easy to find on YouTube . I would not be opposed to linking to the YouTube video in the external links section, with a warning about graphic content.  Including the still in the article would be waaaaaay over the top, though.  --13.12.254.82 23:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I added a youtube link to the video of the accident on 24 Feb, the change was removed 4 minutes later by someone citing WP:YOUTUBE. On reviewing the policy on youtube links the policy is clear that there is no blanket ban on linking to youtube in extended links. Youtube/google video appear on the links to avoid list because video links often break the guidelines on the external links page. If WP:EL (on which WP:YOUTUBE appears) is to be used as an excuse to revert my edit, a mention to a specific policy the video breaks should be made, not a caution list. Link to be re-added.Pissedpat (talk) 05:58, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

The most gruesome injury in professional sporting history?
The article currently (12.11.13) asserts: "Malarchuk's injury has been widely referred to as professional sports' most gruesome injury." There is a strong implication that it is generally accepted that this is the most gruesome sport injury. It may well be the case that many hockey fans (that are spread widely around the world), refer to this as the "most gruesome professional sports injury". However, it is wrong to so strongly imply that the neutral encyclopedic viewpoint is that this one in particular is the most gruesome. It is a hugely contentious point. There are billions of sports fans and thousands of deaths throughout the history of sport. Malarchuk survived and played again.

Wikipedia's biography of living persons policy states: "Contentious material about living persons (or in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons

Some other sport injuries that are doubtlessly "widely regarded" as being more gruesome: Aryton Senna RIP (3-time Formula 1 champ) Andrew Simpson RIP (Olympic sailing champion) Dan Wheldon RIP (Indycar champ) Paul Wood (rugby league player) (burst testicle) Brian Foster (UFC fighter) (burst testicle) I rest my case. In line with Wikipedia's policy I'm deleting the sentence.CNWLcanBGrade1 (talk) 20:38, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I would disagree about Andrew Simpson. Wiki's article states Simpson was underwater for 10 minutes....he drowned.  Tragic?  Absolutely.  But "gruesome"?  Debatable, at least when compared to Malarchuk, Senna, etc.  (For the record, "gruesome" is defined as "causing great horror; horribly repugnant; grisly".)  Elsquared (talk) 01:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Nationalities
I changed "Albertan" back to "Canadian". It's highly unusual to refer to a state or province as a "nationality" unless that province is substantially distinct from the rest of the nation (Tibet, for example). I know I wouldn't refer to myself as "New Jerseyan". ;) Thunderbunny 06:16, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I would like to add that Clint is now a US citizen and lives in Northern Nevada, a bit of biography. After his career in hockey he learned to become an Equine Dentist and now operates his business the Canuck Ranch out of Gardnerville, NV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.141.235.135 (talk) 22:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Copyright violation
Half of this article seems to be on this site http://www.cyberscumbag.com/malarchuk.htm also. If this comes from there the article needs changing.


 * I'm pretty sure the text on that page came from Wikipedia, not the other way around. I know this because I started the article myself and came up with most of the text independently, and I am 100% sure I've never seen this external site before. Thunderbunny 01:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Carotid or jugular?
This article claims the injury was to his 'interior carotid artery'. But the articles linked here say it was his jugular vein, which is not the same thing. Is there any good source for 'carotid artery'? --210.10.133.116 08:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It was the carotid. The jugular does not spray that much blood due to the lower pressure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.245.87 (talk) 00:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Under that notion, the main page has not been changed. It still says jugular vein, and that the carotid is incorrect. Which one is it, and if Jugular, was it the Internal or External (I believe it was the external, makes more physical sense)? Pir (talk) 23:06, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The same source that claims the bleeding was from the jugular vein says the blood squirted out with every heartbeat: definite a clue it was the carotid artery. DrJos (talk) 12:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 15:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC) The pressure in the internal jugular vein is much lower than the carotid artery, however its much greater diameter accounts for such a larger volume of blood being lost in a short period of time (see "Hagen-Poiseuille equation"). The jugular veing is the vessel that was injured in Malarchuk's case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crna82002 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Players Vomiting?
I've watched the YouTube video several times, and I personally see no evidence that any player vomited on the ice. However, the video is cited after that statement in the article. I'd appreciate it if someone could either point out to me where this occurs, or change the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.37.225.201 (talk) 00:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Richard Zednik's injury
can we add a little mention of Richard Zednik's near death injury that happened when Olli Jokinen accidentally cut Zednik's neck similar to Malarchuk's injury in 1989.--Boutitbenza 69 9 (talk) 01:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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Collarbone pressure
''"He led Malarchuk off the ice then applied extreme pressure by kneeling on his collarbone—a procedure designed to produce a low breathing rate and low metabolic state, which is preferable to exsanguination."'

I am unable to find any sources supporting either the claim that the trainer, Jim Pizzutelli, ever knelt on Malarchuk's collarbone; nor any information to suggest this procedure would result in a lower metabolic state.

Also the interjection that this would be "preferable to exsanguination" would likely be agreed upon by the vast majority of people, but should probably be reworded in a less tongue-in-cheek manner.

Mouthofthetornado (talk) 14:34, 1 February 2021 (UTC)