Talk:Clinton D. "Casey" Vincent/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 05:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria


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Okay, I agree that the lead is too short and there are questions about the article's organization. About family, I already have written some bits about him being the youngest of 11 children, and about his wife Margaret "Peggy" Vincent, so I will try and expand beyond that. Binksternet (talk) 01:35, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The lead is no longer too short—I summarized the article and I added a bit to the article about the "Zero Club." Binksternet (talk) 04:49, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Lead is OK, did he have any kids?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 05:49, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, no kids. I added his mother's and his father's names, and the timing of his mother's death. Binksternet (talk) 15:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, add the fact that he had no kids in there somewhere and we'll be done. BTW the Post-War career section reads very choppily because of the short paragraphs. You might want to consider consolidating them somehow, although it won't affect the GAR if you decide not to. Just a personal preference thing.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:25, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I added a bit about his death on the air base in his sleep, survived by his wife. Typically, when an obituary says "survived by" and only includes the spouse, the understanding is that there were no children. The absence of children in "survived by" typically means that the deceased produced no children, or that they preceded him in death. I have no reference that specifically states Vincent died childless, only multiple mentions of the widow making public appearances without any kids. Binksternet (talk) 18:54, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

(outdent)But you don't quote from any obituary so how do we know that? One other point that I just noticed, you need to reverse the month day format that you have to day month as that's what the US military uses and has for quite a long time.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:43, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll have to ping USAF archives people, then, as there is no online record of an obituary, or any other confirmation of childlessness. Stand by... :-/ Binksternet (talk) 20:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That would be fine. I'm in no hurry to get this done.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:51, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * USAF history reports that Vincent left a daughter, a Mrs. Thayer Thompson, last known to have lived in Fairborn, Ohio. I will be chasing down that very thin lead. Binksternet (talk) 22:34, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That alone will be enough if you can't get any more, though a first name would be really nice to have.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:42, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I just enjoyed a short telephone conversation with the former Thayer Vincent, now Thayer Thompson, Vincent's first daughter, born 1938. She gave me Vincent's marriage date and birth dates of the two first daughters, and said that the rest of the family information is in Fire and Fall Back by McClure in 1975. I will now try to get a copy of that book, though early attempts indicate none very near. Binksternet (talk) 02:25, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm getting a copy by mail. Binksternet (talk) 02:35, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

(outdent) Great!--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:28, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The book has a lot more material that I wish to incorporate. It will take a little longer to do so. Binksternet (talk) 14:59, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Great, with more supporting material you should be able to take this all the way up to FAC.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:10, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. Still need more time. :/
 * Binksternet (talk) 01:45, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem, I'll just put it on hold if I haven't already.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:49, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Where are we on this?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:20, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm returning to this project now. Binksternet (talk) 16:57, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * And we're done here, although I suggest putting it in for an ACR.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well! Thank you very much for your patience and attention! Binksternet (talk) 02:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)