Talk:Clive Caldwell

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Can we have an explanation for the term "aerial gunnery deflection" which appears in this article?

Perhaps military types could help out.

Thanks.

G.

--Gibberer 02:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Infobox images
Insert image width (defaults to 180x180px if empty) is the recommended size for infoboxes although most editors choose 200px as a convenient standard. See other biographies- Charles Lindbergh, Amelia Earhart, Baron Von Richtofen. The reason for this size is to ensure that the image does not "stretch" the infobox too much and that it not overwhelm the page. The WP:Aircraft group also recommends that no "hardcoding" of image sizes occurs. Bzuk 13:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC).
 * Fair enough. I'm not too fussed on that one, being one of those that tend to choose 200px for convenience, as you say. 250 was big but 150 looked a bit titchy... Cheers, Ian Rose 15:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Recent additions
Guys, coupla' quick questions... Cheers, Ian Rose 11:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Bzuk, what exactly's your reasoning behind the sic in "[i]t's (sic) your life or theirs."?
 * Grant, are we sure all of the citations attributed to p.25 of Alexander actually belong there? Pretty sure many do but it seems an awful lot for one page, I don't remember the typeface being that small...!
 * Very minor point, and I am certainly not wedded to it but "t's" is a colloquialism and actually was first written as a correction [i]t's, and that is why I used (spelling incorrect- sic) as a standard designation when a nonstandard usage of a word appears. FWIW Bzuk 12:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC).
 * Yep, figured it must be the "[i]". Reckon [i]t's all Grant's fault then... ;-) The exact quote from Caldwell in Alexander was "It's your life or theirs." Grant, I think you  put in the "[i]" because I'd used the quote as part of a sentence. Personnally I reckon it works better to use the original "It's..." and avoid any need to use sic as well... Cheers, Ian Rose 13:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, change effected. FWIW Bzuk 13:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC).

Ian, you are right on both counts. Thanks for pointing the reference thing out. I never have been able to get the hang of the "reflist" format. For the time being I have changed mine to ordinary old s Grant  |  Talk  15:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

DFC and Bar
The citations published in the London Gazette make it clear that the DFC was for the encounter with 2 Me109s, whilst it was only the Bar which was for shooting down 5 Ju87s, I've re-worded accordingly, I did leave the original cites in because I wasn't absoutley sure what they were supposed to be backing up. I also chagned the style used for quotations to meet WP:QUOTE. David Underdown (talk) 15:21, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Highest scoring P40 pilot
This claim is footnoted, but no sources for the scores are given, ideally their should be a source which definitively lists Caldwell as such, or we're verging on Original research. David Underdown (talk) 17:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Collaboration with a view to GA/A/FA
Nick-D and I are planning to work on getting this article to FA standard. While I believe we have access to all the important sources, naturally we welcome additional input. If we can discuss any proposals here rather than just going into the article, it will help us avoid tripping over ourselves. At this stage, the division of labour Nick and I have discussed is myself primarily working on the intro, early life, and North Africa, and Nick on the Pacific, and later life.

For a start, I'm listing the existing bibliography and noting access to same, as well as adding a few more that I've used in the past on similar articles; also adding links to additional images. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:20, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Images
The infobox portrait at the moment is an excellent shot, more thoughtful-looking than the usual Caldwell image, but for that reason I'm not sure it's the one for the infobox (though I think it should definitely appear somewhere in the article). Something a bit more representative of his public image might be more appropriate, such as the, but I'm interested in opinions before changing anything.

Here are links to a few other images that could end up in the article somewhere, and a new infobox image may be among them:

North Africa, 1942 -- useful shot in front of a Kittyhawk, presumably in 250SQN RAF

North Afrcia, 1942 -- decent portrait, presumably same shoot as above

Northern territory, 1943 -- very Hollywood, but a good portrait that conforms to pulic image without being too well-known

July 1943 -- classic shot, perhaps too ubiquitous for the infobox but might be worthwhile elsewhere

July 1943 -- good portrait, presumably from same shoot as above, that again conforms to the image without being too well-known

Northern Territory, 1843 -- interesting for the beard, at least!

Darwin, 1944 -- no beard or moustache at all, just to be different...!

Northern Territory, 1944 -- rare shot of him in the same frame as a decent view of his Spit

Morotai, 1945 -- another interesting portrait, with a pet parrot no less!

...and then there are the pair of him in the Morotai Mutiny article, either of which might work here. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:20, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If it wasn't for the parrot the last one would be a great choice for the infobox... The article should include a photo of Caldwell with a beard as this was how he looked for much of his time in Darwin (due to skin infections brought on by the tropical climate). Nick-D (talk) 07:10, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

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