Talk:Close central rounded vowel

''A discussion on Swedish has been moved to the Close front compressed vowel Talk page. kwami 20:30, 2005 August 20 (UTC)/kwami 07:40, 2005 September 12 (UTC)

Format problems
This page has the same set of problems discussed at Talk:Close_front_rounded_vowel, and the same range of options for fixing them. --Trovatore 02:34, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

As allophone of English /u:/
I know there is a fronted allophone of in certain English dialects (including my own RP-like), which I have previously described as [ʏ:] because that is the nearest vowel I'm (more or less) familiar with. Is there a reputable source citing this one (or another) as the correct description of this allophone? Hairy Dude 05:13, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Just noticed that You claims that the Estuary English pronunciation is . Hairy Dude 18:39, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I think the reference to English should be removed. A lot of the vowel pages contain references to English dialectal pronunciations of vowel sounds, and in particular sounds that are clearly not part of English phonology - [y,ʏ,ɨ,ʉ,ɘ,ɵ,ɜ] all have such a reference. I think this is rather misleading, and does a disservice to the understanding of both English phonology and phonology in general. The emphasis should be put on languages that distinguish these vowels phonemically - the reference to Paici for /ɜ,ɘ,ɨ/ is clearly a good example here - rather than weird regional allophones of vague central sounds in English that are half different every other time they're pronounced and diphtong all over the place anyways. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.136.8 (talk) 03:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Just because they aren't part of your dialect doesn't mean that they aren't "part of English phonology." As long as it's clear which dialect is being presented (which it is), there's no "disservice" at all.  — Æµ§œš¹  [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]  04:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Cockney and Estuary English
This is a common (but not the only) realization of the "Goose Vowel" in these two dialects. So I will add them to the table. 208.104.45.20 (talk) 05:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah! Not sure about Estuary English (Estuary English doesn't say either way) so I removed it pending some sort of citation.  But I sourced Cockney.  — Æµ§œš¹  [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]  07:44, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but you screwed up buddy. Cockney uses the close central rounded vowel in "boot", not book! I'm sure you knew that. Here's a "citation" for Estuary English. All four areas (cities?) in this study have this vowel as a possible realization in the word "goose". 208.104.45.20 (talk) 21:52, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I shall edit accordingly. — Æµ§œš¹  [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]  23:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. That table is really being a bitch (excuse my French). 208.104.45.20 (talk) 05:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I know how you feel. Tables can get pretty complicated.  — Æµ§œš¹  [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]  06:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Scottish English
Scottish English uses the close central rounded vowel in both "book" and "boot". I think we should add that to the table as well. 208.104.45.20 (talk) 09:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The West
I think the West should be added to the table as well, for words like "super". 208.104.45.20 (talk) 19:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You got a source? — Æµ§œš¹  [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]  22:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

New OED barred-upsilon
I need citation evidence for this. Wait, no. It is encoded at U+1D7F now. -- Evertype·✆ 21:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

types of rounding
Need to verify that these languages are endo- or exo-labial. kwami (talk) 12:51, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Does Norwegian really contrast with other languages in the kind of rounding? kwami (talk) 07:21, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

"Features"
The "Features" section appears twice. Probably one of them should be deleted. - Hordaland (talk) 11:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Twice for two distinct vowels. kwami (talk) 12:36, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Norwegian
According to Phonology of Norwegian (by Gjert Kristoffersen). In Norwegian, [ʉ] is monothongal and pronounced with somewhat protruded lips. So, please remove the compressed designation, because the author states that this vowel is not pronounced with inrounding (compressed lips), unlike in Swedish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.211.252 (talk) 00:05, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. — Æµ§œš¹  [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]  02:20, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Swedish
If you'll excuse me, are you saying that the Swedish Y and U sounds the same? Or else why have the discussion on the swedish ʉ been moved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.255.182.164 (talk) 11:53, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * They are definitely not the same: are protruded, while  (as well as ) are compressed. Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 14:39, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Armenian
This sound's existence in Eastern Armenian or any of its dialects as an allophone of [u] is very disputable. If so, I could stuff the IPA with forty-four ! vowels and that is from one dialect only (see Bert Vaux's The Forty Vowels of Musa Dagh). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahtrqerin (talk • contribs) 02:26, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not disputable if we have a source. All you could really do is to check whether the source cited here says the same as we do. Peter238 (talk) 21:56, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Stub
The IP guy keeps re-adding the stub tag to this article. I disagree with this, especially because of the first table and the section about the compressed vowel, which looks really nice. To me, this article is too developed to be called a stub. Peter238 (talk) 21:56, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

What happened to Swedish?
Isn't the Swedish u something like a close central rounded/protruded vowel? It's spelled as u-bar in IPA at least. Strange to have Swedish phonology thus link here but not vice-versa. &mdash;ajf (talk) 20:29, 7 August 2019 (UTC)