Talk:Clove

Climates, growing conditions, different kinds?
Some more information on the plant would be helpful, as opposed to just its cooking and medicinal uses.

Classification
It looks like there is a discrepancy between including this as Eugenia or Syzigium aromaticum. It appears that Eugenia is more recent but the Syzigium page has it too and is illustrated with a picture of it. Is there a botanist in the house? Karen S Vaughan 05:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Miscellaneous
"Though long-used in traditional medicine, there is little evidence that clove oil containing eugenol is effective for toothache pain or other types of pain" - looking up the provided sources, they do not actually support the statement, and to some extent appear to say the OPPOSITE. I suggest that this statement either be removed completely, or else changed to an actual quotation of the relevant passages on the provided websites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 09:30, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

The problem is that we have a "Clove" page, and a "Eugenol" page, but not a "Clove Oil" page. There is much information on the Eugenol page that contradicts this (the Clove) page. Clove Oil is ~%90 Eugenol. Probably, this page shouldn't have ANY information on it about Clove Oil, and the Eugenol page should be renamed to reflect that Clove Oil is essentially unpurified Eugenol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 09:37, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Is Clove/Clove Oil, Dense source of antioxidants ? Flavanoids Karen S Vaughan 05:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, like many other dried herbs and seasonings. However, the quantities consumed are too small to be very significant in vivo. However, these may contribute to preservative effects.

Is Alfafa one kind of Clove?--Tomchiukc 16:46, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Not at all. Not even close. Karen S Vaughan 05:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

i've read in many places clove oil is used when euthanasia is required for aquatic life. add it? 198.166.226.14 04:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If you can find 1 or 2 of those references you mention and they are reliable, why not? --Merbabu 05:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Wait,
Wait, so if I smoke clove flowers that have been dried, and possibly ground, my throat will be numb? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.246.226.36 (talk) 22:21, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no idea, but I was eating a Clove-flavored candy-stick (those 15 cent ones at Cracker Barrel) and my whole mouth was in various stages of numbness. I'd venture to say there's a good chance you'd go somewhat numb all through your respiratory tract. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.109.127.254 (talk) 18:07, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

That's not what happens. But it does make for a very smooth blend with tobacco, so that the smoke is non-irritable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 00:24, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

History
My research indicates that originally the clove tree grew only in the Molucca Islands, in what is now Indonesia. While the spice trade may have eventually brought them to India, they were NOT native to South Asia. Where is there information that the clove tree was native to India? Ellenois (talk) 18:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

The article currently says that there is no evidence for clove use as an analgesic. But clove oil is actually a well-known anesthetic, and it wasn't THAT long ago, that dental offices generally smelled of clove oil. Home temporary filling kits, still include clove oil as an anesthetic. Sucking on a single clove will induce minor numbness on the lips and tongue. A half-teaspoon of ground clove will obviate most gut pains, a second dose rarely ever being necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 00:13, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Can't be eaten uncooked?
The back of my bag of cloves says "Usage: do not consume uncooked". They're just normal TRS brand cloves from Madagascar that I got in the local asian shop. This article says nothing about whether they have to be cooked or not, so if someone knows something about this, it would be great if they could add it. Thanks. Great floors (talk) 00:03, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

I consume raw cloves frequently. Cloves don't need to be cooked. But don't make a habit of consuming quantities of them, since they tend to be about %10 eugenol. Sucking on a clove used to be a common method for freshening ones breath (before there were mints). Normally, the whole cloves in food aren't eaten, but are discarded after they impart their flavour, whether cooked or not. I'll guess that the precaution is regarding the possibility of a hard clove becoming lodged in the esophagus, the same as a bay leaf. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 00:21, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Adulteration?
I can't quite figure out exactly what this section is for? It seems to be partly uses for other stages of the bud/plant, but also has the exhausted cloves. Section header is also misleading.

--VikÞor |  Talk 23:00, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I came here to bring this up as well. I don't understand how any of the items in the section are adulteration. There may be ways it can be adulterated, but these aren't them. I think we should change the section title. --Cromwellt&#124;talk&#124;contribs 03:37, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

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early history
Somehow the early (1700 BC) archaeological discovery of cloves in Terqa, Syria in the 1970s was under-reported at the time, so now I've added this info. Y-barton (talk) 14:50, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Dry cloves?
Pl wiki has a pretty nice article on this product: pl:Goździki. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:27, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

ancient world
I was reading the article and there is an issue here. The current POV of the article is extremely westernised and looks through the perspective of Western world and Cloves. There is even a claim used to dismiss the cloves in before the colonial times. The issue here is that this dismissal is done by using 1 source when the writers that have written about the ancient world existence of cloves have not one or two but 6 sources. To top it off the claim that the plant was misidentified can easily be refuted by taking a look at the name of plant in one of those mentioned nations. The plant clove in Iran (Persia) was used well before the colonial times. The word for the plant is so old it is a part of the Armenian and Georgian languages and anyone with some historical studies understands that for this word to take root in those two languages it would need to have been introduced to them well before the reformations both languages went through during the medieval times and later periods. The word for Cloves in Persian is Mikhak. It is made of the word Mikh for nail/spike and the added "ak" which is used to mean small. The name for cloves in Persian has literally been since forever "The small spike"! And when you look at Cloves you realise why that is, because it looks like a small spikes.

I would like to have a clear discussion surrounding this claim that Cloves did not exist in the other parts of the world before the Spanish or Dutch started the trade for it in 1700s Kane 1371 (talk) 01:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Are you sure you are talking about this Wikipedia article? Drmies (talk) 01:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)