Talk:Co-op City, Bronx

BiCapitalization?
Is it officially "Co-op" or "Co-Op"? Even RiverBay's web site isn't consistent! Not R (talk) 00:54, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Has it ever been called Cooperative City officially? I understand that Co-op is short for that, but are there any official documents with name as Cooperative City. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.2.115.82 (talk) 20:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

It has been confirmed by a letter mailed addressed to "Cooperative City". It arrived to the proper address.

I have also sent mail to Cooperative City, which has arrived. As well, there are many official titles of places in Cooperative City that use the name Cooperative City instead of Co-op or Coop city: 1) Cooperative City Auxiliary Police (officially - see website) 2) Temple Beth El of Cooperative City 3)NAACP Cooperative City Day Care 4)Cooperative City Multi Service Center for Senior Citizens, to name a few - there are many, many more.

1) http://www.picaphone.com/businesses/bc1442853-cooperative_city_auxiliary_police 2) http://www.yellowpagesgoesgreen.org/Bronx-NY/Temple+Beth-El+of+Cooperative+City/1422433 3) http://www.manta.com/c/mm4tw9n/naacp-cooperative-city-day-care-center 4) http://www.retirementcommunity.com/Cooperative-City-Multi-Service-Center-for-Senior-Citizens-6227.html. We should add Cooperative in parenthesis after Coop on the title page, especially because the search tool already redirects cooperative city to this page!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.243.235 (talk) 21:24, 22 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Good suggestion. The only references to "Cooperative City" I found with a quick web search were unofficial directory listings, so I would say the usage is rare but relevant to the lead section. I went ahead to put it in parentheses. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 12:38, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I lived in Co-op City for almost 19 years and I NEVER heard it referred to as "Cooperative City". The previous poster who claims that it is also known as "Cooperative City" is wrong! 2604:2000:5269:2A00:883F:B5D1:100:BDD6 (talk) 10:17, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

racial makeup
I think this page could use some updated information (Co-op city today) as well as the missing citations. JKillah 22:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

The Ethnic Makeup section refering to Section 8 Black and Hispanic criminals taking over Co-op and causing the Jews to flee is just wrong and racist. While Co-op had a large Jewish population, the community as a whole was beautifully diverse for many years. I don't believe "white flight" is the correct interpretation. As the aged of (all races) began to pass away and the children (of all races) moved on, Co-Op's residents became more minority -- which completely makes sense for the borough. Crime went up everywhere in the city for a time, but Co-op City always had a relatively low crime rate-- and still does. --Sacme 16:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah right! You think white flight wasn't the cause of White people leaving the Bronx? Keep on dreaming. Parkchester is another good example of a similar style of white flight. Why would anyone want to live around minority-criminals? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.76.70 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 29 December 2006

Stephen Melville, a long time resident of Co-op states, But just think about it. Everything used to be WHITE in the bronx. This is what we call " things change"! He also says, where else you gonna live in New York? Co-op is the shiznit! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.254.227 (talk • contribs) 07:33, 6 March 2007

Photos?
Let's get some decent pictures on here! No offense, but the pictures are pretty bad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.30.180 (talk • contribs) 4 January 2007

Crime rate
One of the reasons why Co Op City has a historically low crime rate is they do not accept any applications with a felony conviction(s), and require good credit (700 or higher.)

Perhaps a list of Sections and some major store listings would help with expanding the article. Newkirk Plaza David 20:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Since when does Co-op City have a historically low crime rate? I am a Bronx native and never heard such a thing. Areas with low crime rates do not have high incarceration rates. Co-op accounts for a significant chunk of violent crime in the 45th precinct. Lower rates wise then the Throgs Neck Houses and maybe Westchester Square but number two or three on the list. Other areas covered by 45th Precinct are Throgs Neck, Pelham Bay, Country Club, and City Island and these areas have very little violent crime.


 * Lower in comparison to high crime parts of the Bronx, Yes. Lowest, no. I would say above average in terms of crime on a national level. It has to do with the tower in the park design, proximity to areas that are more crime prone, and the lucrative illegal drug trade in the area.


 * Although not accepting individuals that have have felony convictions does help keep problems out of the complex. You have felons living with residents. This is the Bronx remember. Visiting felons from the high crime areas right across the New England Thruway like the Boston Secor Houses. Then there are those who just have not been caught. And the youth that often get into trouble in the area. Just look at the local high school, Truman.


 * Not trying to put Co-op down but it's not what I would consider a crime free area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiwiki718 (talk • contribs) 20:49, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

XLR8TION
Dear Mr. XLR8TION: Please give a VALID REASON as to why you are undoing my removal of Stanley Jefferson, Christian Regenhard, and Sally Regenhard from the article. These persons are by Wikipedia standards, non-notable persons. (Please see: Notability for further explanation). Either justify your undoing of my edit or please leave my edits alone! Thank you for your understanding. Citizen Dick 14:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Stanley Jefferson, Sally Regenhard and Christian Regnehard all have significant hits after doing a Google search. Jefferson was a member of several babseball teams, and therefore is notable. Sally made national news when she disturb Rudy Giuliani's press conference and blamed him for her son's death. She is also a board member of the 9/11 Family Steering Committee and the founder of The Skyscraper Safety Campaign. She is notable. Christian, her son, was a firefighter who died at the WTC and thus his death caused her to become a tireless advocate for 9/11 families. He is the victim of a paramilitary/terrorist organization and there are many entries like that on the website. Please do not delete the names and please do not address me in a manner like you did. Just a reminder, but you DO NOT own the article.--XLR8TION 14:50, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * They may be notable in your opinion, but according to Wikipedia standards, which is all that matters here, they are not. If you would like to create articles about these individuals, feel free to do so. However, as long as they are "red linked", they are considered non-notable persons, and any link to them should be removed. If you insist on undoing my edits, I will tag this article for review. As far as "addressing you in a manner like I did", I have no idea what you are talking about. The tone of my message was not harassing or threatening in any way, and if you feel that it was, I think that you may have some issues you need to deal with. Citizen Dick 15:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you blind? Did you do a Google search. I lived in Co-Op City and reasearch the area. I have done Google Searches and pulled up multiple pages on them. Simply because you did not hear of them does not make them not notable. You live in Staten Island of all places! Is it boring there that you have to look into other neighorhoods in NYC to mess up their articles. Please do not label my edits as vandalism also. That is a slanderous remark and baseless. I would refrain from using that word again when it comes to my edits. You DO NOT own the article, therefore act like a decent human being, follow site guidelines, and bring the topic to a discussion as you will see that your edits are simply wrong. Validate your edits with proof as I will present numerous websites, articles, or other media to validate mine. --XLR8TION 16:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I may live in Staten Island now, but I lived in Co-Op City for 18 years. I attended I.S. 181 and Truman High School before my family moved out in 1990. For your information, I have heard of Stanley Jefferson as well as Christian and Sally Regenhard. However, this doesn't mean that they are notable persons as per Wikipedia standards. If these individuals are so relevant, then why are their names still "red-linked"? If you think that they are so important, then why don't you create articles (with references and sources, not just external links) for them? Unless Wikipedia articles are created for these three individuals, I will continue to maintain that they are non-notable persons. As far as calling your unwarranted edits "vandalism"... I calls 'em as I sees 'em! I don't understand why you like to deal with other Wikipedians with insults. Yes, I can read English, and no, I am not blind! If you want to deal with me in a civil manner, than I am happy to discuss our differences. If you want to be an a-hole, then please leave me alone! Citizen Dick 17:04, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Using expletives is a violation of Wikipedia policies and you will be reported. Second of all, if they have hits after a Google Search they can be added. I have debated numerous debates on this site and have seen the articles included due to notability. Simply running to a library and getting a printed book is not neccsary. Sally was on CNN numerous times and she is an ardent critic of Rudy Giuliani. She even was covered in several New York Times articles. Strickland has numerous hits after a search detailing his sports career. Although Christian remains the weakest when it comes to notability, many victimes of the 9/11 attacks have articles on this site. Therefore, if his death caused his mother to become the "Cindy Sheehan" of 9/11 mothers, therefore he has notability. Now get your head out of the Fresh Kills landfill and learn proper article writing and do not use expletives.--XLR8TION 15:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * XLR8TION: You are a liar, as you know full well that I haven't used any "expletives" in my recent interaction with you. Go ahead and report me, you childish fool, as I have done absolutely nothing wrong. If you open your eyes and read what I wrote again, you will see that I said "IF YOU WANT TO BE an a-hole", not "YOU ARE an a-hole". I'm getting a little sick and tired of petty, insulting, and vindictive people like you on Wikipedia. Sanctimonious people like you think that they are always right, and if challenged in any way, they resort to insults and threats. There is no reasoning or compromise with people like you, and my best course of action is to ignore such people. Therefore, in the future I will ignore you and I will not be responding to any of your insults and meaningless threats. Now get your head out of the Pelham Bay landfill and stop insulting and threatening other Wikipedians. (By the way - I'd like to complement you on your article for Sally Regenhard, but now now get cracking on articles for her son Christian and Stanley Jefferson so the non-notable tag can be removed from that section of the article!) Citizen Dick 12:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Removal of the Wikilinks for the two non-notable persons in the Notable residents section
Sorry, XLR8TION, but your fallacious argument defending your inclusion of links to nonexistent articles on Stanley Jefferson and Christian Regenhard doesn't hold any water.


 * According to the Wikipedia notability standard, as contained in the notability tag:


 * If you are familiar with the subject matter, please expand or rewrite the article to establish its notability.
 * The best way to address this concern is to reference published, third-party sources about the subject.

If you create articles about Stanley Jefferson and Christian Regenhard, there will be no problem with the restoration of the Wikilinks to the articles about these two (currently) non-notable individuals! Jerskine 15:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Jerskine, if you clicked on Sally Regenhard you will see there is already an article on her, so why did you delete this link? I am working on a article on Christian and how his death launched a national organization and also a educational center at John Jay College. Regarding Strickland, I am working on a article on him too. Therefore, they get reverted. --XLR8TION 15:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You really need to get your eyes examined as the link to Sally Regenhard was not removed, as I can plainly see that an article was created for her. The links to nonexistent articles about Christian Regenhard and Stanley Jefferson (NOT Rod Strickland) were removed for the reasons contained in my statement above. I don't know what your problem is, but you should adhere to Wikipedia standards when editing an article. Restore the Wikilink ONLY when articles are created for these individuals!!! GOT IT, "XLR8TION"? Jerskine 15:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Christian Regenhard now has an article. Shame on you Jerskine and Citizen Dick for being cold emotionless MONSTERS! You should do research and see that the Christian made the ultimate sacrifice along with 343 other firefighters in trying to save lives. His death launched a national organization and movement and made his mother Sally the accidential activist. Her work will prevent other mothers from suffering the pain that she will have to live with for the rest of her life. I should send a copy of this to the local Co-op City Times and the Fifrefighters Society to show how ignorant and soul-less both of you morons are. --XLR8TION 17:28, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Give me a friggin' break!!! Instead of wasting your time "sending a copy of this to the local Co-op City Times and the Fifrefighters Society" (LOL!!!), you should instead spend your time addressing and correcting your obvious hostility issues. I was simply requesting that you adhere to Wikipedia standards in respect to your inclusion of the Regenhards and Stanley Jefferson as "notable persons" in the Notable residents section of the Co-Op City article. The fact that Christian Regenhard died in the September 11th terrorist attacks, while very unfortunate, has no bearing on the fact that, until you created an article about him, he was considered a "non-notable person" according to Wikipedia standards. After all of your hemming and hawing and insults and threats, you did exactly as was requested of you by Citizen Dick and myself... You created articles for the Regenhards! Thank you for the time and effort you expended in creating those articles, but shame on you for your unneccesary insults and threats! Now, I'd like to ask that you end this needless "discussion", as I don't wish to hear anything further from you... or are you one of those obstinant people who must have the last word in every argument or discussion? Jerskine 18:37, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Once again, SHAME ON YOU MONSTERS! Recognize the importance of service to your country and not your tired-ass excuses on why not to look into the depth of the subjects' contributions to modern American society. SHAME ON YOU!--XLR8TION 23:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey XLR8TION - Grow up, knock off the ridiculous right-wing rhetoric, and get a life, you pathetic loser! 68.174.26.32 11:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Notability guidelines are for creation of an article on the person. Even less notable people can (and should) be mentioned in other articles. Typical examples are are victims of crimes and accidents. Including references to people of local fame, but failing to meet Wikipedias overall guidelines, is quite acceptable in an article on a residential neighborhood. -- Petri Krohn 09:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Project
So co op city aint nothin but a giant project still in the ghetto  no very successful residents right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.229.162 (talk) 00:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Merge of Co-op City Department of Public Safety page into this page
I strongly disagree with user Eóin with the idea of merging the Co-op City Department of Public Safety page into this one. That page is solely for the public safety department, and goes into great detail to explain the department. In addition, other police and public safety departments have their own Wikipedia pages while their employer company has its own page. 1 example includes City University of New York and its public safety department page, CUNY Public Safety Department. -- User:MOOOOOPS 12:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've removed the merging tag. When I first saw the article it looked like this. With that little of information I felt it would be best to keep the information in its parent article. The article is much better now and clearly deserves its own article. ~ Eóin (talk) 23:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Sales prices?
I don't understand the Sales prices section:

Depending on the number of rooms and occupants Sales prices:

* One-bedroom — $10,500-$14,000 * two-bedrooms — $15,750-$17,500 * three-bedrooms — $21,000-$22,750[citation needed]

Are these supposed to be multiplied by 100? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.59.155.103 (talk) 21:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

No, these are the prices because Co-op City is a New York State Department of Housing and Community Renewal Supervised moderate income development under the Mitchel-Lama program. (www.riverbaycorp.com) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.203.133.25 (talk) 18:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

While those salary prices seem to be quite low, I'm amazed by the high maintenance fees. Is this typical for NYC or a specialty of this complex, indicating that it has overly high operating costs? After all, rents in Brooklyn (ok, I'm talking of 2003 here and don't have current numbers) can be as low as just the maintenance fees shown here. 84.163.171.44 (talk) 12:33, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Is Co-op City Public Safety a private police force or something else?
By all indications, it is a private police force entrusted policing the community and given police powers. New York Daily News calls the department, "The private police force charged with protecting Co-op City and its residents...", as does The New York Times. In fact, the department's seal says "POLICE N.Y." in big bold letters and its motto is "community policing at its finest". So while it may not call itself a police department (except it does), it is, very much, a police force. IP editor(s), please stop reverting the changes and show us reliable sources indicating that it shouldn't be called a police force. 20:34, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree. Removing the word "police" seems picayune. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 23:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This discussion seems to explain the contention. To me, it seems like semantics – yeah, it's not a conventional police force but it is, in absence of NYPD presence, the de facto police authority in Co-Op City. Reasonable monda can disagree, but unfortunately, the user(s) is constantly IP-hopping so it's hard to have a constructive discussion about this. Mosmof (talk) 02:01, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

We could use North American jargon and call it a "law enforcement agency", but, summarizing the sources, I would prefer to call it an "independent police service, employing state-licensed peace officers." I expect the IP editor is just experimenting with Wikipedia (disruptively, sadly.) It is independent, not private, in my opinion. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:51, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Population stats
We had a population figure of 2265 from http://www.city-data.com/neighborhood/Coop-City-Bronx-NY.html. This is out by a long way: it is forty to fifty thousand, so I posted a population from another source. However, for me, this throws into doubt the household median income and area from the same source, and perhaps other articles using the same source. Is this a one off glitch, or should we be concerned about the reliability of that data source? --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 10:15, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

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