Talk:Co-rumination

Comments (november 2011)
Hey group! I made about half the edits that Professor Tompkins suggested we do, the second half of her suggested edits still need to be done. Also, I nominated our article for "good article" status. Hfrueh (talk) 01:38, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

As part of our class project to complete this page, I think a section needs to be added that discusses the etiology, or possible causes of corumination. I found an interesting article that may help me develop this section. It is about the relationship between corumination and empathetic distress in young adolescents. (Smith, R. L., & Rose, A. J. (2011). The “cost of caring” in youths' friendships: Considering associations among social perspective taking, co-rumination, and empathetic distress. Developmental Psychology, doi:10.1037/a0025309). I also think the first section that contains the definition of corumination needs to be developed a little more. Hfrueh (talk) 02:03, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

For our class project, I will be adding a portion to the article concerning how corumination affects people in daily life. BilliChavez (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:51, 13 October 2011 (UTC).

I am going to focus on beefing up the developmental area of the topic. Looking at specific studies that have to do with gender and how co-rumination might effect children and adolescents. A few articles that will be of help are: Over the next few weeks I will be reading these articles more critically and pull out any information/ideas/theories that are relevant to my topic. I'd also like to link several other topics to this page that make sense when reading through the material. Jessilucas (talk) 17:39, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Rose, A. J., (2002). Co-rumination in the friendships of girls and boys. Child Development, 73, 1830-1843
 * Rose, A. J., & Rudolph, K. D. (2006). A review of sex differences in peer relationship processes: Potential trade-offs for the emotional and behavioral development of girls and boys. Psychological Bulletin, 132, 98-131
 * Starr, L. R., & Davila, J. (2009). Clarifying co-rumination: Associations with internalizing symptoms and romantic involvements among adolescent girls. Journal of Adolescence, 32, 19-37
 * Stone, L.B., Hankin B. L., Gibbe, B. E., & Abela, J.R. Z. (2011) Co-rumination predicts the onset of depressive disorders during adolescence. Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 39, 597-602
 * Stone, L.B., Ujrlass, D.J., & Gibb, B. E. (2010). Co-rumination and lifetime history of depressive disorders in children. Journal of Clinical Child and Adolescent Psychology, 39, 597-602

Feedback on Plan
The plan that was due today should be a fairly comprehensive "to do" list that outlines a preliminary draft of things you might include in the article, initial ideas about how you will structure it, who will work on what sections and a short list of resources that you've begun to consult. I see a fairly incomplete list here that suggests you haven't, together as a team, developed a clear plan. Over the next several weeks you'll want to read everything you can about the topic to learn enough to begin to build on initial ideas about organization and modify/add as needed. Let me know if I can help. Tatompki (talk) 05:22, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Peer Review for PSYC 181
Hello! I reviewed your article for the class assignment. I like the way that you organized the information, and good job on discussing developmental and gender topics! A suggestion I have is to perhaps expand a little more on each section. For example, on the causes section...are there any studies about a predisposition for corumination? For the effects in daily life section, have studies been done on other areas of life, besides drinking? For the therapy section, have there been any other treatments that work? (Example: would antidepressants help?) I also liked the section about corumination and the workplace, but could it go under the gender differences section? Although I found a couple of grammar errors (see therapy and other research sections), sentence structure is good. Dandres19 (talk) 05:06, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Nice job with organization. I would suggest reading the article out loud and really paying attention to grammar, some spots are a little awkward. I also wanted to point out you have duplicates of citations that you are going to want to get rid of... Other than that I agree with Dandres19 in his recommendations. --Vkraft (talk) 15:26, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Rose, A.J. (2002). Co-rumination in the friendships of girls and boys. Child Development, 73, 6, 1830-43.
 * Byrd-Craven J, Geary D, Rose A, Ponzi D. Co-ruminating increases stress hormone levels in women. Hormones And Behavior [serial online]. March 2008;53(3):489-492. Available from: PsycINFO, Ipswich, MA. Accessed November 3, 2011
 * Kimberly R Zlomke, Kathryn S Hahn (2010).Cognitive emotion regulation strategies: Gender differences and associations to worry.Personality and Individual Differences

Hey! I just read your article and I would like to say that the organization and the basic information that you have is great. There are minor grammatical as well as spelling errors but they have already been pointed out by other users. I think this article can be enhanced by adding a section about other psychological factors that may lead to more co-rumination such as other disorders that may increase it, maybe people who suffer from some mood disorders or stress disorders. also, you may discuss the personality types that are more likely to co-ruminate. Other than that, Look at what the other users said and you are off to a great start! Tjkimmett (talk) 18:01, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Another Peer Review
Being the last one to peer review this, I'm not sure what else to add. It's a solid article that serves as a good introduction to corumination, with information about each major category, such as etiology and symptoms, although to me it wasn't immediately clear how it was organized. "Causes and effects corumination" as a heading was a little confusing, because it makes it sound to me like both etiology and symptoms will be covered, but then another section is titled "effects in daily life." In that section, I wasn't sure if the following was a typo or terminology: "worry corumination leads to less drinking weekly..." Also, I realized after I read the article that I still don't have a clear idea of what corumination  is . Is it a full-fledged disorder in its own right? Is it a symptom of something else? That's enough from me: I should go fix my own section now. Smythadon (talk) 07:59, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Feedback on Rough Draft
Nice job of taking an article with almost nothing in it and expanding to include recent published work on the construct. In general, you will want to carefully read the entire article aloud to listen for awkward phrases and carefully proofread (as I found a fair number of typos). Tatompki (talk) 07:07, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * First sentence “referring” was misspelled; peers needs a period at the end
 * In general either hyphenate or don’t hyphenate Co-rumination (CR) but keep consistent throughout; you do not need to capitalize CR
 * Second line – “whereas CR is not.” Then I would start a new sentence as your explanation of overlap yet uniqueness in relation to self-disclosure is a bit hard to follow.  Perhaps something like, “Although it is similar to self-disclosure in that it involves revealing and discussing a problem it is excessively problem focused and potentially maladaptive” (add a reference – probably Rose, 2002)
 * You also might want to consider noting that some researchers have found evidence calling into question whether CR is associated only with positive outcomes in the peer domain (e.g. Starr & Davila – CR associated with fewer friends prospectively and Tompkins et al. – CR associated with smaller network size concurrently)
 * Third line - … has been … associated with anxiety because CR may exacerbate concerns about negative consequences of problems and worries about whether problems will be resolved. It is also associated with depressive symptoms…”
 * I would consider changing the heading to “Gender Differences” unless you also want to incorporate additional research (e.g., Calmes & Roberts, 2008; Tompkins et al., 2011) which speaks a bit more clearly to the developmental part of the heading. Specifically, these data suggest that gender differences intensify through early adolescence but begin to perhaps narrow thereafter and remain steady through emerging adulthood.
 * You may also want to state a bit more clearly that CR has been found to partially explain or mediate gender differences in anxiety/depression (Rose, 2002; Calmes & Roberts, 2008; Tompkins et al., 2011)
 * Second line in “Gender Differences” – “… however, as age differences are not…” add “as”
 * ”Research suggests that within adolescents, children who currently exhibit high levels of co-rumination would be more likely to predict the onset of depressive diagnoses than children who exhibit low levels of co-rumination.” – this sentence is tough to follow – perhaps instead that higher levels of CR would predict the onset of depressive dx?
 * ”In addition, this link (ADD “was”) maintained even when children with current diagnoses were excluded, as well as statistically controlling for current depressive symptoms”
 * Not crazy about the heading title. It seems like you are talking about biological correlates with the cortisol study.  The last sentences here seem to restate and expand on the point you make in the last sentence of the prior paragraph.  Perhaps this suggests the need to re-organize accordingly?  Also want to fix the reference – in general should bring the person to the references vs. provide the names and citation.
 * Effects in Daily Life section – need to more fully explain differences between worry vs. angry CR – particularly when you use “negative” CR – it isn’t clear what is meant here
 * Therapy - you may want to be a bit more clear here about therapy not being specific to co-rumination but instead that methods may follow what is useful in treating someone with ruminative tendencies. You may also want to link here to other articles that explain CBT for anxiety and depression (and/or rumination).  Finally, you may want to note how these findings may more generally inform prevention efforts.~
 * Consider changing “Other Research” to “Types of Relationships” and noting that while the majority of the studies have been conducted with youth same-sex friendships others have explored CR and correlates of CR within other types of relationships (e.g., Waller & Rose, 2010 – parent/child; Calmes & Roberts – examined across different relationships; the one you discuss which looks at co-workers)

Additional Feedback
There are still several suggestions that you didn't attend to... most notably duplications in references and at least a couple of statements in need of appropriate citations (e.g., in "Developmental" section and "Cause and Effect"). Overall, there are still also problems with the writing - strive to write clear and concisely and in a tone that is easy to read. As one example, read this sentence aloud: "Unfortunately, while providing this support, this tendency may also reinforce internalizing problems such as anxiety or depression, especially in adolescent girls,[6] which may account for higher depression among girls than boys." The clause "while providing this support" doesn't follow the previous sentences so "this" has not clear referent. Despite requests by me and another reviewer you still didn't clarify worry vs. angry CR so that this entire section is tough for the lay person to follow. Always describe in a straighforward a manner as possible see WP:MoS) and provide examples to help with technical descriptions. The "Other Research" section is still unclear.  You need to re-read and digest the study enough to be able to describe it in a way that lay readers can  make sense of.  Finally, the section on therapy is still a bit misleading in that this isn't a diagnosis but instead an interpersonal coping strategy that may be associated with internalizing problems.  Thus, in this section you should make this clear.  It would also be stronger to include a brief discussion of implications for prevention (in some ways this might be more appropriate than discussing therapy).Tatompki (talk) 05:26, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Additions to article
I've come across a relatively recent study done in '09-'11 on adolescents in regards to effects of social networking contributing to teen corumination. The article touches on some of the severities of the condition and will allow me to add some more information to the "Effects in daily life" section". There were also links tied between social networking acting as a venue for potentially negative social interactions; therefore leading to further depression.  I would like to create an additional subsection to this page concerning social networking and its direct connection with corumination.  I'm also hoping to clarify the seriousness of the condition as I believe it to be indirectly harmful to a person's wellbeing by severely affecting their demeanour.  The study below does not directly touch on this but I am hoping I can find further research regarding exactly how fatal the condition is.  Clarifying whether or not it is just one of many contributing factors to depression or an actual disease itself would also be key to include.

Title of Article: Frequency and Quality of Social Networking Among Young Adults: Associations With Depressive Symptoms, Rumination, and Corumination Authors: Davila, Joanne; Hershenberg, Rachel; Feinstein, Brian A.; Gorman, Kaitlyn; Bhatia, Vickie; Starr, Lisa R.

Joscolli (talk) 01:20, 4 October 2012 (UTC)