Talk:Coat of arms of Dresden

Proposed deletion
This page was created because the main page Dresden is too long. The context is the main page. Mootros (talk) 15:25, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Page has notability as it is a coat of arms of a real place as per WP:NOTABILITY RP459 (talk) 18:50, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It should be merged with Dresden and sourced. Cities do not even have true coats of arms, being neither families nor individuals. DinDraithou (talk) 23:14, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I quote from Coat_of_arms "In the Nordic countries, provinces, regions, cities and municipalities have a coat of arms. These are posted to the borders and shown in official documents advertising the area." RP459 (talk) 23:29, 28 September 2009 (UTC) as such I have reverted your edits...
 * They have "coats of arms" but they are not sufficiently notable, unlike personal or family arms, or even "state arms". DinDraithou (talk) 23:31, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have a link where cities coats of arms have been decided to not be WP:Notable? RP459 (talk) 23:33, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As I said, they are merely the arms of a city. They may be created but they serve no special purpose. It would not matter if Dresden lacked a coat of arms. Thus it is up to you to prove notability, that they really deserve their own article. DinDraithou (talk) 23:39, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Where to draw the line? Does this mean for example the Margraviate of Landsberg is probably not "notable" either and we must instigate deletion too. The world would exist without it and as a matter of fact, it does now as this march of the Holy Roman Empire has long gone. Was it ever notable? How to retrofit the past into present criteria? My dear User:DinDraithou perhaps we should give it the benefit of the doubt. Remember  Wikipedias is not a paper encyclopedia. As always, Yours,  Mootros (talk) 16:25, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Not a stub???
I noticed that this article had been removed from stubs does that mean that it is believed to be start class? I honestly believe it to still be a stub. RP459 (talk) 14:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A class of any kind assumes it should really be an article, which hasn't been determined yet. DinDraithou (talk) 15:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll add that instead of warring like this, you could try and find sources to improve and expand the article if possible. If you can move it towards the appearance of Coat of arms of Hamburg or Coat of arms of Munich then I'll be happy to let it go. But I'm doubtful there's enough. Dresden is the capital of the Free State of Saxony, however. Try a little research. DinDraithou (talk) 15:25, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've looked around, and think you may have trouble finding enough text out there to really base a substantial article on, but at least the site I've added allows their images to be used at Wikipedia, as it says at the bottom of the page. DinDraithou (talk) 15:39, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

That sounds fair thanks for clarifying, I will not revert :) RP459 (talk) 17:04, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No discussion has occurred with regards to the proposed merge as such I have re-stubbed... RP459 (talk) 18:49, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Free content, Bensing et al 1984
Hopefully I won't be blocked for first reverting the use of free content and then reverting my reversion, both of which are Exceptions to 3RR. In any case, the introduction needs to be rewritten a little because http://www.ngw.nl/int/dld/d/dresden.htm has to give permission. What we don't know is if that text is simply a translation from Bensing et al 1984, which is referenced there. DinDraithou (talk) 16:35, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I see no reason for being blocked. I've edited the intro accordingly. Thanks for your great effort! Mootros (talk) 16:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Prpopsed Merge
Thanks for removing the proposed merge from this page, I can see no reason why the page should be merged back into Dresden. RP459 (talk) 19:29, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, good! Mootros (talk) 19:45, 11 October 2009 (UTC)