Talk:Coat of arms of New York

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 * Image:Flag of New York.svg
 * Image:New York state flag.png
 * commons:Image:New York state flag.png (note same filename as previous)

Which is more correct? What is the correct aspect ratio? Background color? --ChrisRuvolo (t) 18:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Left/Right
I'm assuming left/right mean when looking at the flag? This should be clarified, however, becuase it is not clear whether it means right, for example, when looking at it, or it's right. //MrD9 09:11, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Pre-1901 flag?
What did the flag look like prior to 1901? Or was there no state flag then? Шизомби 13:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Problem
The page begins by stating "The flag of the State of New York is the state's coat of arms on a blue background". Go, however, to the Seal of New York page, and look at the image there. At first glance, the image on that page and on this page may seem identical - yet take a good look at an enlarged version of them both, and a wide range of differences become apparent. Is there a reason for this. Maybe, the official specifications of what the image is supposed to look like are simply not that strict or specific. The images shown on both pages would seem to conform to the blazon given on this page. Does anyone have any answers? - 121.208.89.99 (talk) 03:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)



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Requested move 4 January 2021

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. There is consensus to move so that the title is more precise with respect to including Flag and State; however, there isn't a consensus one way or the other in regard to using Seal vs. Coat of Arms. Unfortunate, but this has been re-listed and the last input was a week ago. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 19:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Coat of arms of New York → Flag and coat of arms of New York – To more accurately describe what the article details, as it covers both topics. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 10:40, 4 January 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. Iffy★Chat -- 18:37, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:CONCISE. The article is about the coat of arms. The flag and the seal are mentioned in passing because they are basically the coat of arms on a blue background and the coat of arms encircled by words, respectively. Station1 (talk) 19:03, 4 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Definetly worth changing the title. The flag is a major symbol of the state, (most state flags have their own pages).  Also, when looking for this page the first time, I kept thinking that it was not what I was looking for, because it didn't say "flag" in it.  Furthermore, the state law that describes the Coat of Arms also dictates what the flag looks like.  In fact, this is the exact title of the law: "Description of the arms of the state and the state flag".  Be too concise, and you leave out important information.  --Worldwidewebb77 (talk) 20:14, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Aye, we did it for the Virginian flag page. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 22:25, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. If the article covers both aspects, and we don't have any other article for the flag of the state, then we should mention both in the title so as to be WP:PRECISE. This is also WP:CONSISTENCY with Flag and seal of Virginia. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * In that case, wouldn't it be Flag and seal of New York? Logically the flag and seal both incorporate the coat of arms. Station1 (talk) 04:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose it should use "state of New York" instead of "New York". I would hazard that the City of New York is globally the primary topic beyond the New England/North East area -- 70.31.205.108 (talk) 04:43, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * So would you support "Flag and coat of arms of New York (state)? Paintspot Infez (talk) 19:55, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Support, as this more accurately does describe the article's content. - TheLionHasSeen (talk) 21:36, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, but with proper disambiguation like Flag and seal of New York (state). –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 02:07, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, for WP:CONSISTENCY (with Flag and coat of arms of Pennsylvania, Flag and seal of Idaho, Flag and seal of Illinois, Flag and seal of New Hampshire, and Flag and seal of Virginia). However, use "COAT OF ARMS" and not "SEAL" in the title. So the page should be moved to Flag and coat of arms of New York (state). Paintspot Infez (talk) 19:16, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It would seem I further agree. - TheLionHasSeen (talk) 23:20, 2 February 2021 (UTC)


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Mistake in Historical Flag Timeline
The previous version of this article included an error involving the buff version of the New York State flag. The buff version of the flag was not first instituted in 1778. In fact, I did not find evidence that it was in use by anyone around that time. What I found was that the state flag was ambiguously defined for about 100 years. My source even suggests that the New York state flag had a white background at one point. However, it seems overall that the blue background version was officially used by the military and seemingly was popular in some respects.

"These regulations [military flag having a white background] remained in force without change until 1876. In that year it was provided that the color of all regimental and bat talion flags was to be blue. The background of the State flag still remained white" (Corey 524).

To justify this change, since it seems like this misconception has existed for some time. Chriscost0318 (talk) 17:47, 7 July 2024 (UTC)