Talk:Coat of arms of Niger

will you please tell me what the symbols mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.45.131 (talk • contribs)

Colour of field
The field of the coat of arms is vert, as the Constitution and the web of the Presidency says in French («Les Armoiries de la République sont composées d'un blason de sinople [that's vert in heraldry, commonly green] à un soleil rayonnant d'or [...]»). –195.53.5.10 (talk) 11:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC) (I'm Enric, from Catalan wikipedia.


 * While that is what the text says, you can see from the photographs and the government websites that green is not used. White is used at embassies: yellow or gold is used by the Presidency. The photographs of the National Assembly show a huge coat of arms above the chamber, with the shield in brownish gold. In fact, having spent a lot of time on this, the only green versions I've seen are sourced to files created by a Russian vexology website and Wikimedia..  Nigerien sources don't portray it in Green.T L Miles (talk) 17:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * see http://www.presidence.ne/symboles.php


 * Text of Article One, Section One, 1999 Constitution: Le Sceau de l'État d'un diamètre de quarante millimètres, est composé d'un blason portant un soleil accosté à dextre d'une lance en pal chargée de deux épées touareg posées en sautoir, et à senestre de trois épis de mil, un en pal et deux posés en sautoir, accompagné en pointe d'une tête de zébu. En exergue, sont placées les inscriptions, suivantes :

* Dans la partie supérieure : "République du Niger".

* Dans la partie inférieure : "Fraternité, Travail, Progrès".

Les Armoiries de la République sont composées d'un blason de sinople à un soleil rayonnant d'or, accosté à dextre d'une lance en pal chargée de deux épées Touareg posées en sautoir, et à senestre de trois épis de mil, un en pal et deux posés en sautoir, accompagné en pointe d'une tête de zébu, le tout d'or.

Ce blason repose sur un trophée formé de quatre drapeaux de la République du Niger. L'inscription "République du Niger" est placée en dessous.


 * And then take a look at the coats of arms on the embassies in Ottowa and Washington DC, and the consolate in NEw York (which I've seen myself). Also look at shield used at the state broadcaster http://telesahel.org/ortne/ All these are white.  My only guess is that since "Sinople" is an archaic enough term (Neither French dictionary I have here lists it), that the government simple defines it differently.  I'm open to suggestions as how to proceed in this article!  T L Miles (talk) 17:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I know that today the Government and official places in Niger doesn't show this sinople (vert, that's to say green) shield in the coat of arms, but white (argent) or yellow (or). It's possible that they don't know what means sinople, but it's a word normally used in French heraldry (Sinople) to represent green. The quote from the Nigerine Constitution that I wrote here was to demonstrate that they definite well how is their coat of arms, but then don't use their own definition. In the article of Catalan wikipedia (Escut del Níger) I wrote this: «Mentre que la Constitució nigerina estipula que el camper de l'escut és de sinople (és a dir verd),[1] en ambaixades i documents oficials apareix d'argent, o d'or en altres contextos, amb les càrregues o símbols que conté l'escut d'un daurat més fosc o fins i tot negre, com es pot veure a la pàgina de la Presidència del Níger». In English: «Whereas the Nigerine Constitution states that the field of the shield is vert [sinople is also the Catalan name for vert] (that's to say green), in embassies and official documents it appears as argent, or or in other contexts, with the charges or symbols inside the field in a darker golden colour, or even black, as you can see in the Presidency of Niger website». –195.53.5.10 (talk) 11:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC) (Enric again)

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