Talk:Coat of arms of Singapore/GA3

GA Review
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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 13:45, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Please respond to each concern with further indentation on the following line. I will then strike concerns that I feel have been resolved.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:33, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I will review this one.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:45, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Please spellcheck this article. Watch for misspellings like symbolises. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Is that a misspelling or British English? --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 14:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:50, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It should be in British English, but I have no good way to check since I also use American English. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 16:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Is the prose fine? --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 16:17, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Resolve disambiguation issues. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:50, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Appears to be a problem with Template:Coats of arms of Asia, not with this article. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 15:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


 * WP:LEAD
 * Start with a sentence explaining the subject (per WP:LEAD). See Coat of arms of Albany, New York, e.g. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Feel free to copyedit my addition. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 09:59, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Then, it would not be a bad idea to say what it is used for in the 2nd sentence like the abovementioned article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, is this required by the GA criteria or just a suggestion? --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 09:59, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Admittedly, only the first sentence of the WP:LEAD could be deemed to fall under WP:WIAGA, because the first sentence is discussed as part of an official guideline.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:28, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * So could this be struck? --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 02:18, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It was a suggestion not implemented that I won't object over. Struck would mean my concern was addressed. In a sense my concern was ignored and I have decided it is not a big deal.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:36, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Noted. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 16:17, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "for the national flag and the national anthem." followed by of Singapore --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Malay for "Onward Singapore". How about "which means "Onward Singapore" in Malay, which is one of four official national languages. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Zscout370 made that change in the Symbolism section instead of the lead section. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 16:00, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking at the abovementioned article should Torse be filled in in the infobox? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:33, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No. A Torse is a multi-colored ribbon that is below the crest and, in the case of this coat of arms, there is none. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 16:39, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Should crest be filled in with "None"? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:33, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Since there is no crest, I feel it is cluttering the infobox if we just fill in all information (see my above comment about the torse. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 16:39, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


 * History
 * find a link for National Assembly (either the assembly itself or general government of Singapore). --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Remember, that was in 1959, when Singapore had just been granted self-governance but not full independence. That national assembly no longer exists and Singapore does not currently have an equivalent; our parliament is unicarmel. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 16:36, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * also link new moon. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 16:36, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to mention new moon earlier so that we don't have to link it within a quote?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Doubt so. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 09:59, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Is this necessary or could this be struck? --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 02:18, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Why can't you mention new moon in the LEAD?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:41, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Good idea! Done. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 16:17, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbolism
 * The crescent "represents a young nation on the ascendant" (s/b crescent of a new moon...) --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds awkward. Hope "The crescent, representing a new moon, reflectsa young nation on the ascendant", though momre long-winded, is more grammatically correct. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 16:36, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Here say five-pointed stars (as opposed to six-pointed or other types)
 * Done. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "historical connections to Malaysia" have not been mentioned in the article so please explain this. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Added link to Malaysia-Singapore relations and mentioned that Singapore was formerly a Malaysian state. Is that sufficient? --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 16:00, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * There should be some explanation why the text is in Malay. I.e, since the country has 4 official languages, why was Malay chosen. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Singapore has four official languages, but Malay is considered the national language (and is the language of the national anthem) because the ethnic Malays are the indigenous people of Singapore (and Malaysia). Will think about how to clearly but succinctly explain this in the article. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 16:36, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Does Malay have an official superior status to the other four languages?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:57, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant "designated", not "considered". The Constitution of Singapore designates Malay as the national language and one of four official languages. Its status as the national language is mainly ceremonial rather than historical. Are you satisfied with the changes made to that sentence? --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 16:04, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Uses
 * Links to Singapore dollar and/or Singapore Portrait Series currency notes. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:28, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Already linked in lead section, which is a more appropriate location for said link. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 16:04, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * What about the latter link?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:22, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I supposed your request is for "Singaporean banknotes" to link to Singapore Portrait Series currency notes, but would such a link be confusing, since only the Orchird Series (which does not have a Wikipedia article) is mentioned and only two words later? --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 02:18, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to find content to add a sentence or two to Coinage of Asia and link to it. You don't have to do a full article for the country itself, but a 2012 WP reader should be able to get some information from somewhere, IMO.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:28, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Good suggestion, but seems unrelated to the GA criteria. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 02:18, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Has Singapore Post ever used the coat? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:28, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, no. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 02:18, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Kindly inform the primary contributor Zscout370 too. Although I am helping him take this article through GAN, there may be issues that he should be aware of or only he can handle. Thanks for the review. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Check the licensing for File:Singapore 10 cent coin.jpg. I feel that there should be some coin-specific license.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I do not know much about image licensing. Why is the current license not suitable? --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 16:17, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know much about coins either, but it seems that some licensing like that used by File:2005 Dime Obv Unc P.png might be appropriate. I don't know what licensing to suggest. Since this is the only issue remaining, just let me know when you figure out what is right or get a confirmation from someone that would know that there is nothing else necessary.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:59, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Zscout370 has deleted the image and removed it from the article. Final issue addressed! --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 00:18, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * This article is now on hold. I will monitor it and review it within 7 days. Please attempt to address the concerns above.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you extend the hold? I am also handling GA reviews for Xiaxue (on hold) and MINDS (2nd opinion), while most of the remaining issues require specialised knowledge of heraldry that only Zscout370 has. Thanks. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 13:32, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll revisit this at the beginning of July.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:32, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Great work. I am passing this now.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:46, 29 June 2012 (UTC)