Talk:Cobra (G.I. Joe)

Cobra represented Soviet BLOC in toyline
I removed the following sentence from the second paragraph, in the section "real american hero":
 * The concept of Cobra was created to give the toyline a continuing antagonist without invoking and insulting any real life nationalities or organizations.

Many, if not all, of the Cobra figures released were labelled as expert in "warsaw Pact" small-arms, while the Joes were labelled expert in "[NATO]]" small-arms. While the cartoon labels Cobra a terrorist organization, the toyline links Cobra to the Societ Bloc.Rag-time4 05:23, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Not so prominent Cobra Characters
Dr. Knox is not a main Cobra character by any stretch of the imagination. Prior to Devil's Due, she was a virtually unknown one-shot comic book-only character. Slice also wasn't a major character, though more worthy of inclusion than Knox. I really question why they are placed amongst Cobra's most noteworthy members.

- Agreed completely - I've deleted them both. I think Zartan, the Dreadnoks and Major Bludd should be moved to the Cobra section as well... I question the need for a "mercenaries" section and would prefer to see something more along the lines of "recurring characters". DPr77 10:47, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I removed the "and suffers from an eerie hissing speech impediment caused by an injury." from Wild Weasel's entry because it's obvious that the poster misunderstood the "cut his teeth" on the figure's filecard. "Cut hit teeth" is slang for starting out and getting a big break.
 * Actually, later filecards specifically mentioned he had a lisp from being shot in the mouth. --There are no names left (talk) 02:51, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * His FIRST filecard mentions that a strafing injury was the cause of his "characteristic sibilance"...or something like that. 74.160.5.173 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:43, 12 April 2010 (UTC).

Terrorists? "In function, they behave as more of a private military organization than a terrorist organization, as they have a military-style chain of command, distinctive uniforms and common fighting equipment."

- Terrorist organisations often have distinct chains of command. Cobra certainly are terrorists - it is well known that members act normally in society and infiltrate it - especially the Crimson guard. Cobra do have overt presences in terms of Cobra island and the cobra consulate - I think cobra are terrorists - simply the logical progression of a very successful one.

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Tsk... this article is somewhat cartoon-centric. I'll have to dig up my old comics and see what I can contribute. :) - Cobra libre 01:18, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have a feeling that "Tommy" would be Thomas H. for Storm Shadow. Not sure, though. I never heard "Tommy" anywhere and it sounds silly.

- Actually, having read through those early Marvel issues again, Storm Shadow's real name is in fact introduced as "Tommy" and he is referred to as such throughout. DPr77 08:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Baronness?
The link for The Baronness seems to be to something entirely unrelated... --AviDrissman 03:15, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
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Origins
Dr. Mindbender's origin needs to be put in the proper context. Is that from the comics or cartoon? It certainly doesn't fit with what's on his filecard. DPr77 11:00, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I just noticed the section of text in question. I can only assume that it is someone's attempt to vandalize the page. I don't keep up on the current comics and am mostly ignorant of Sigma Six but I don't see how any of that stuff is possible. The 1800s? Holy Grail? I shall be removing the nonsensical text. 24.178.211.155 03:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Cobra or COBRA
There are a few people that have been editing in other G.I. Joe-related pages the name Cobra to all capitals, COBRA. Putting it in all caps indicate that it's an acronym for something. As far as I know, Cobra is not an acronym and if it is, it should have been indicated in this page long ago. --Destron Commander 02:54, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably because in its first two years, all references to Cobra were in all caps. The organization was referred to as "COBRA Command" and its leader as "COBRA Commander". It suggests that the name was originally intended to be an acronym although the closest to one it ever received was in a later issue of the comic. There was a building in Broca Beach that had "Cryptic Order of Benevolent Reptilian Apostates" above the doors. I once asked someone from Marvel at a convention back in the 80s and he thought it stood for something like "Covert Operations Behind Reinforced Assaults" but he said he wasn't sure. Except for the name consistently appearing in all caps early on it's all speculation though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.83.195.237 (talk) 18:52, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * From the letters page of issue #96: "Cobra is not an acronym when used as the title of the organization founded by the original Cobra Commander. The Cryptic Order of Benevolent Reptilian Apostates is, of course, a red herring." --There are no names left (talk) 05:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Propose merge subarticle on troopers with Viper (G.I. Joe)
I think we can just remove the subarticle on Cobra troopers since it is very much covered in Viper (G.I. Joe). --Destron Commander 14:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I disagree - a complete overview of the Cobra organization would be incomplete without mentioning the most prominent "army-builders" from the cartoon, comic and toy line. DPr77 08:21, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Cobra and Hydra
I would have to say that Hydra inspired Cobra. Think about it. Same number of syllables, serpentine names, same last two letters, "Hail Hydra!" and "Cobra!". Just change from green to blue for the uniforms.

12:31, 22 July 2006 (UTC)Enda80

I remember seeing a Transformers comic book once where Cobra was mentioned. Was there ever any overlap/reference made to Cobra in other Marvel storylines, or are the GI Joe and Marvel Superhero universes completely separate?165.97.69.26 (talk) 17:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * G.I.Joe is a seperate continuity. Lots42 (talk) 03:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * But they did overlap in both the comics and the cartoon. The connections were just ignored when it wasn't important. --There are no names left (talk) 02:51, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Other Media
I've seen this org. featured in a Godzilla cartoon, in which Godzilla took the place out. Also seen the COBRA uniform in the movie Dodgeball as well. In that episode of Godzilla, the Calico, a science research ship was captured by COBRA Command, who imprisoned the crew, incl. Godzuki, a fat little monster. Godzuki summoned Godzilla, who then destroyed Cobra Island. When the "Joes" got there, they saw GIANT footprints all over the place in the wreckage and all over the island. Martial Law 05:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I've seen this episode too years ago on Cartoon Network. I think G.I. Joe's enemy was inspired by a combination of things:

1. HYDRA from Marvel Comics. 2. Kobra from DC Comics (They were later featured on an episode of Batman Beyond) 3. The Cobra group from the Godzilla cartoon. 24.178.211.155 16:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

BAT
Should we put the different kinds of B.A.T. Soldiers from Sigma 6 on the the COBRA Page? The Duke 9:03, 30 September 2006
 * No!! Put the different kinds of BATs in their own page.--Destron Commander 10:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed - BATS should be mentioned, but to go into that much detail would be inappropriate. DPr77 02:40, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

SVG Symbol
We could use a SVG/PNG symbol. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.196.204.85 (talk) 16:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

done. just drew it real quick. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Asaturn (talk) 04:09, 13 July 2008 (UTC). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.208.187.208 (talk)

Blue Shirts
There is the following text in the article, "Also known as "Blueshirts",(They are not called "BlueShirts, It is "BlueSuits")".

It is my understanding that "Blueshirts" is a fan created term that does NOT exist in any official G.I. JOE media. Who is this person to demand that it is not "BlueShirts"? Who cares how a person decides to type it out? I have also never heard anyone use the term "BlueSuits" in reference to the Cobra Officers and Troopers either in all my years of being a fan. I think it should simply read, "Also known as "Blueshirts" and as such am changing it. If someone actually feels that people do refer to them as "BlueSuits" they may re-add it. 24.178.211.155 03:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was page moved.' &mdash;harej (talk) (cool!) 00:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Cobra Organization → Cobra Command — Cobra Organization has never been an official (or even given) name for the group. Cobra Command, however, is the original name and was on box art. Why should we use an inaccurate article name when the correct one is available? Flash176 (talk) 15:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Support move to correct formal name (reversal of existing redirect). DMacks (talk) 19:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
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Obviously this is a bit late to the party, but when was Cobra ever called "Cobra Command" on the boxes? --There are no names left (talk) 02:51, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * In the '80s, the box would say "A Cobra Command weapon." on the front underneath the GI Joe emblem.--Ridge Runner (talk) 14:33, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Category
Would the 'fictional companies' category apply, considering Arbco and Extensive Enterprises? Lots42 (talk) 13:59, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really. If they had their own page I would say yes, but this article is about Cobra as a military/terrorist organization, not their legal holdings.--Ridge Runner (talk) 14:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

"See Also"
there should be a list of similar organizations, like HYDRA --99.101.160.159 (talk) 21:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

This page appears to be incorrectly named
The organization is just called Cobra, not Cobra Command.

I would conjecture that this mistake is made because the leader dubbed himself Cobra Commander.

However, the organization is just called Cobra, and I wish to draw attention to this easily fixable error.

Thank-you.

CobraTrooper6 (talk) 00:40, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Cobra (G.I. Joe) &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:37, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Cobra Command → Cobra (G.I. Joe nemesis) – A while back this was moved from Cobra Organization (a poor name, certainly) to Cobra Command with little discussion and no real rationale. There's little to no evidence of this ever being the organization's name. They are always referred to simply as "Cobra." Someone made some vague reference to the name "Cobra Command" appearing on toy packaging decades ago, which may be true, but is hardly definitive, and by no means indicates that this is how they are most commonly known. A google image search reveals that many toy's were labelled "Cobra Enemy" at some point, but that doesn't mean they were called that either. The group's name has always been Cobra, and it obviously needs a disambiguating parenthetical qualifier, so if "(G.I. Joe nemesis)" isn't the best one there are plenty of others we could go with. But this is the only place I've ever seen the group referred to as Cobra Command, and I played with these toys a lot when I was a kid. If there is enough evidence to suggest that this was at one point the group's official title, it can still go in the article, but it is not an appropriate title for the article. R. fiend (talk) 13:29, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose proposed move location since it doesn't meet disambiguation precedents for such moves. Weak oppose Support NEUTRAL on alternative Cobra (G.I. Joe); it's a better disambiguator with precedence as a way to disambiguate subjects in fictional universes, but the current title is a WP:NATURALDAB.  Steel1943  (talk) 22:49, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Changed alternative to "Support" and struck out part of statement that isn't helpful ... because the word "Command" (not "Commander") is nowhere in the article with the exception of the infobox, leaving the natural title disambiguation questionable. Steel1943  (talk) 22:53, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ...And now changed to "neutral" and returned part of statement since external sources use the name "Cobra Command" for this subject. Steel1943  (talk) 22:56, 25 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Move to Cobra (G.I. Joe) "Command" appears to be rarely used: https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=cobra+%22g+i+joe%22&num=10 In ictu oculi (talk) 07:45, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Cobra (G.I. Joe) is certainly fine with me, and I'd be willing to change my original proposition to that, though I have slight concerns about muddying the works in an ongoing discussion (not that there's been much of that so far). I would also argue, in response to above comments, that I don't think the current title fits WP:NATURALDAB, which states "Do not, however, use obscure or made-up names." I would argue that Cobra Command is obscure. With all the movies, comics, TV shows, toys, etc. the only place it seems that name is used is on the packaging of a few toys from several decades ago. The article itself doesn't seem to use that term outside of the title. -R. fiend (talk) 14:25, 26 October 2016 (UTC)


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