Talk:Cockalier

Now when people look up "cockalier," they will know that it is a mixed-breed dog, but they will not know what breeds compose that mix. The earlier version of this page was superior, because it also contained a link to mix-breed dogs in addition to the brief description. Note also, that ALL dogs are "mixed-breeds," and what defines a breed is a rather controversial topic. So, arbitrarily redirecting cockalier to mixed-breed is less informative than the previous short description. Calling my previous edit, which was to revert to a previous, more informative version "vandalism" seems inaccurate.

Edit request on 21 September 2012
This page should be redirected to "Mongrel" to fix the double redirect.

CondenserCoil (talk) 22:57, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:29, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

I do not agree. A mongrel or mutt is a dog of unknown ancestry that belongs to no single organizationally recognized breed and is not the result of selective breeding. One can't say that about this, since the ancestry is known. The Cockalier is a mix between a Cocker spaniel and Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, per definition. The redirect should go Dog crossbreeds instead. Hafspajen (talk) 03:11, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Consider how this came about. The page which is presently named mongrel [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=move&page=Mixed-breed+dog was moved] by from  at 15:34, 14 September 2012, as a result of this discussion‎. Any redirects that pointed to  then became double redirects, and so needed to be fixed so that they pointed to mongrel instead. Some of these redirects were fully-protected, and so edit requests were necessary to get these fixed in line with the others; the above edit request is one such case.
 * Whether should have been  in the first place is another matter; and occurred well before I joined Wikipedia. -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:05, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Complicated matter. Hafspajen (talk) 14:35, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Redirect this redirect to an article that gives more information on this breed
I think that the Cockalier Spaniel should have its own article, for the article it is redirected to (Mongrel), does not once mention the Cockalier. The article Mongrel states that "A mongrel, mixed-breed dog or mutt is a dog that does not belong to one officially recognized breed and is not the result of intentional breeding." However, the Cockalier is not bred unintentionally, it's parents or foundation stock are the cocker spaniel and the cavalier king Charles spaniel. The Cockalier is also recognized by several different hybrid kennel clubs, the American Canine Hybrid Club (ACHC), the Designer Breed Registry (DBR), the Designer Dogs Kennel Club (DDKC), the Dog Registry of America, Inc. (DRA) and the International Designer Canine Registry (IDCR). Therefore, according to the article it is linked to, the Cockalier is not a mongrel but a crossbreed. Furthermore, other crossbred dogs listed on the list of dog crossbreeds page on Wikipedia like the Yorkipoo or the Texas Heeler have their own articles. Here is a link to an article that I think Cockalier should be redirected to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockalier_Spaniel. It gives pertinent information about the breed and goes into more detail than the mongrel article that doesn't mention this breed. Marley2003 (talk) 10:19, 21 August 2019 (UTC)


 * so its been 12 years and there is a full article on Cockalier Spaniel now - do you see any contentious reason this redirect still requires protection? — xaosflux  Talk 14:53, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's the highest quality article, yet, but it is more than a stub. — xaosflux  Talk 14:57, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Not once I trimmed out the irrelevant-to-cockaliers content, it's not. Marley2003 wrote it, and then Marley2003 moved it into mainspace, and then Marley2003 asked to have the redirect unprotected (without mentioning that this was their article - which I'm sure was just an accidental omission on their part). I've moved it back into draftspace. DS (talk) 15:31, 21 August 2019 (UTC)


 * ❌ as the target is now a Draft. Though if that Draft becomes an article I support unprotecting this. —  xaosflux  Talk 15:24, 21 August 2019 (UTC)