Talk:Coconut milk/Archive 1

Comment 1
In Australia, I've only heard of the coconut juice being called "coconut milk which means in chad the country lots of monkey sweet"; the infusion of coconut meat and water is only ever called "coconut cream" here. Thefamouseccles 00:22, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that's not really quite true. because the coconut milk/cream products are often imported from South East Asia where the translation of the packaging into English from the original language is not always accurate. As a result, there's always a mix up in what things are called. Kanatcha 06:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Can I use cream of coconut in cake if milk of coconut is required? Is the cream the same as the milk?4.249.189.36 (talk) 15:58, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Comment 2
Maybe it could be better to show it's contents compared to coconut water..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.206.130.218 (talk) 05:38, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Proposed rewrite (22/09/2006)
I'm having a few issues with this article. Please throw in your thoughts:

- The distinction between 'thick' and 'thin' coconut milk. This to me seems like the difference between the different pressings of the coconut milk. In the same way, cream (dairy) is not referred to as thick milk and whey is not referred to as thin milk

- A couple of sentences that struck me as odd

- Lack of references in places such as having too much coconut milk causes diarrhea

Kanatcha 06:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Rewrite
This article really needs to be updated. I found a lot of information on the history of coconut milk, and the controversy over saturated fats. I had always heard that it works as a antimicrobial too. I think we need to start balancing out the info and make it more encyclopedic and less like a recipe book.

Proposal for format: any ideas? --Travisthurston 15:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * History
 * Politics
 * Science
 * Health
 * Recipes

pic
definitely needs a picture...

Specific gravity?
Does anyone know the specific gravity of coconut milk? -- Jieagles (talk) 03:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Ayurvedic claims
Rather lofty claims were made about the properties of coconut oil, but when I clicked the source, I found no mention of the information in the sentence at all, except that both had to do with Ayurveda. So I amended the sentence. There might be some need for ayurvedic woo-speak to flesh the ayurvedic properties out. Mirithing (talk) 23:31, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Believed to be?
"Some people believe that coconut milk can be used as a laxative." There's so many things wrong with that sentence. It's fact, coconut works very well as a laxative so there's no need to 'believe' it, and it's not just 'some people' this would imply that there's alot more people out there that would claim theres no laxing properties in it at all. Needs to be fixed.

Nutritional Information
might be nice. concentrations of vitamin x and y, zinc or...,

fat, calories....

medicinal indications.....

--APDEF (talk) 13:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Coconut milk vs. Coconut Water
The opening paragraph is incorrect. Coconut milk is not the same as coconut water, the terms are not interchangeable. Coconut milk is correctly described as a liquid made from the juice of the coconut meat mixed with coconut water. Coconut water is the liquid in the center of the coconut.

The single reference cited contradicts itself. If you view the link and click on related items (such as "How to make coconut milk"), coconut milk is described as being made from grated coconut meat. A sampling of references for coconut milk vs. coconut water is cited below. I could not find another reference which referred to coconut milk as being the same as coconut water. The links were picked at random.

References

(TSRibeye (talk) 20:12, 20 June 2010 (UTC))
 * http://www.slashfood.com/2006/05/06/coconut-milk-vs-coconut-cream-vs-coconut-water/
 * http://www.ochef.com/597.htm
 * http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2009/07/is_coconut_water_healthier_tha.html
 * http://www.living-foods.com/articles/coconutwater.html
 * http://sneakykitchen.com/Ideas/coconut_milk2.htm


 * The reference contradicts itself? Have you never used a dictionary before? They list all meanings for words. One word having multiple meanings is in no way contradictory. Wikipedia is supposed to be descriptive, not prescriptive. Wikipedia should not tell people what the right and wrong words to use are, especially when it contradicts every single dictionary I could find:


 * http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/coconut-milk
 * http://dictionary.infoplease.com/coconut-milk
 * http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861687887/coconut_milk.html
 * http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coconut+milk
 * http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/coconut%20milk


 * Note that every dictionary describes the liquid inside the coconut as "coconut milk". Some don't even bother listing the so-called only correct definition espoused here. Any reasonable person would interpret coconut milk being defined in multiple dictionaries as the liquid inside a coconut as enough evidence that it is a valid common usage of the term. Wikipedia should not deny this fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.200.74.5 (talk) 00:43, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Note coconut water and coconut milk are two different products. The former is naturally occurring clear water inside a coconut and the latter is expressed from coconut meat. The fact that a few misguided people have misunderstood it in the western dictionary does not mean we can use water and milk interchangeably. As far as authenticity is concerned I am a native of the land that overflows with coconut and am very familiar with the ayurvedic and nutritional usage of the term. . I suggest that the entire line about coconut water be taken out.(Aramis4u (talk) 02:30, 12 September 2013 (UTC))

Sugars?
Regular and low fat Coconut milk has less than 1 gram of sugar per 80 gram serving. If you need sources you can go to your local supermarket and read the label. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.175.26.48 (talk) 15:53, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Misinformation
"When compared to the 120 calories of 2% dairy milk, coconut milk contains only 80 calories. Coconut milk also provides 15% more of the daily value of calcium as well as half the sugars of dairy milk." It should actually be "15% of the calcium as well as half the sugars of dairy milk". There is 18 mg calcium in 100g of coconut milk, 120 mg in dairy milk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.145.108 (talk) 09:51, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Health benefit part is misleading
Like so many other Wikipedia articles about health, someone (or some people) is actively inserting health claims related to Indian traditional medicine with terribly dodgy sources. These kinds of claims should be removed, they are not backed by any credible source. It is polluting multiple articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.176.246 (talk) 00:41, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Right. This reads like a combination between a product and a tourism office advertisement. Check out this link: LATimes for a well-balanced discussion of this issue.

Would somebody please put one of those warning banners on this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.7.151.174 (talk) 09:18, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Sat Fats
As of 2014 The bit about saturated fats is no longer valid as several studies have shown that the opinions against SATfat were based on flawed studies. - That interests got government agencies to sign off on opinions based on correlative evidence is not science - reminds me of a true quote:

Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now. Thus in France the emetic was once forbidden as a medicine, and the potatoe as an article of food. -Thomas Jefferson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.243.106.82 (talk) 21:17, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Water dissolves fat?
In the first section, the original (or previous) writer of the article states that water is used to dissolve the fat in the coconut milk. As far as I know, fat is water insoluble. Any suggestions as to what to replace it with? Smortypi (talk) 23:55, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

there are water soluble fats as well... especially in coconuts — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.121.219.83 (talk) 20:27, 17 January 2015 (UTC)


 * It also depends on the temperature of the water. Many fats will dissolve in hot water and congeal in cold water.   Deli nk (talk) 20:31, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Complaint to the author of the article on coconut milk. Drinking coconut milk is well known to cause stomach upset, a sicky nausea want to throw up feeling. Please provide the true science to explain why it does cause stomach upset. Or anyone who knows this stuff please edit this article accordingly. Or if you know who does know this stuff, please get him to edit this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diogeneseii (talk • contribs) 00:21, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Coconut milk is just fat in various concentration. No other macronutrient is present in significant amounts. The symptoms that you describe would be likely with ingestion of any unadulturated oil. Coconut milk is intended for cooking (like olive oil, or butter), not drinking straight from the can. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 16:25, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Give us the facts. Seriously, we could try to systematically look at the motivations for making plantmilks available, for repurposing food items that had been used in baking and other cooking and had not been used mostly for drinking or cereals before.  There are ethical vegans who want to replace milk from cows, there are other kinds of plantmilks and manufacturers want to market repurposing their products to potential consumers, etc.  But our complaints do not eliminate the motivations others have for using some plantmilk that may not be as health-supporting as others.  For instance, a jaunt through Trader Joe's in the USA may have a setup for free coffee with either milk or some plantmilk creamer, typically their creamiest, smoothest, thickest plantmilk which is their very affordably-priced coconut-milk-based coffee creamer, which is higher in fat than oatmilk.  Consumers prefer a thick, viscous taste for a coffee smoother, and TJs (Trader Joe's) knows that and gives that to those who get the free strong coffee while they shop.  So there.  Health advocates may caution them, but markets seem to 'have their own minds' that are not promoting decisionmaking on the basis of health evidence. MaynardClark (talk) 17:06, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

contradiction!
in the Health effects section it is mentioned that coconut milk contains something that raises HDL level and therefore it is not recommended to be consumed in large quantity. at the same time here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-density_lipoprotein WP says that HDL is good and results in the lowering of plaques in the veins. Now one of those must be wrong.80.98.114.70 (talk) 16:09, 13 May 2016 (UTC).
 * It's lauric acid, which comprises nearly 50% of the saturated fat in coconut milk, that is associated with increasing HDL levels. That study examined palm oil, not specifically coconut milk, so a direct interpretation isn't possible for this article. This is another review of clinical studies on saturated fat consumption and risk for cardiovascular disease or diabetes, but the results are not clear, as research has been insufficient, and again does not address coconut milk specifically. Your comment raises the point that the nutrient and fat compositions of coconut milk are not discussed, so I will work on a section. Thanks. --Zefr (talk) 16:52, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
 * thank you for both the explanation and developing WP. thumbs up! 80.98.114.70 (talk) 21:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC).

lead section
the lead section says coconut milk is a good substitute for cows milk given it is ripped of all coconut taste by RIGHT preparing. i might be wrong but i think coconut milk is mostly used for what it is, eg:a liquid with (cows)milk-like consistency AND a distinct coconut flavour. so i think it is a rather marginal use, and by no means "the right way" to prepare it when it is heated to get rid of its natural taste.80.98.114.70 (talk) 16:14, 13 May 2016 (UTC).

sorry, it is in the "cuisine" section/"in food" subsection, not in the lead. the rest of the above critcism still holds.80.98.114.70 (talk) 16:31, 13 May 2016 (UTC).

The text means that coconut milk can be used as a substitute for cow's milk in many recipes where other plan milks cannot be substituted, because the recipe depends on a particular property of milk chemistry. For example, coconut milk may be substituted for cows milk in instant pudding recipes with good result, but soymilk cannot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 16:30, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

also this sentence (in the same cuisine/in food section): "Frozen coconut milk tends to stay fresh longer, which is important in dishes in which the coconut flavor is not competing with curries and other spicy dishes." is completely beyond comprehension for me - how frozen storage of coconut milk that is later used as an ingredient in a curry is connected with the coconut taste "not competing" with the taste of the other ingredients?80.98.114.70 (talk) 18:24, 13 May 2016 (UTC).

Style Revisions
Abbeyhayford (talk) 18:32, 25 February 2017 (UTC)Abbeyhayford
 * Horticulture sections has grammar issues that need to be fixed
 * Horticulture section could combine some sentences for a better flow
 * Last sentence in the horticulture section doesn’t fit with the rest of the content
 * In “Health Effects” section “recommend against” is an oxymoron
 * Non-neutral point of view in “Nutrition ” section by calling coconut milk a “good” source of health benefits
 * Under “Cuisine” section should change “In Food” and “In Drink” to “Food” and “Drink”
 * Opening sentence of article needs rewording
 * The opening section says coconut milk is not coconut water, so what differentiates from coconut milk and water? Need to include some background on coconut water if it suggests not to confuse the two
 * “In Drink” Section needs rewording
 * you should proceed to edit as you indicated, with WP:SCIRS sources where required. Thanks. --Zefr (talk) 19:06, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Food Section
The last paragraph where it talks about Venezuela's cuisine is confusing. It needs some rewording to let the reader know what exactly it's referring to. Abbeyhayford (talk) 14:20, 6 March 2017 (UTC)Abbeyhayford

I noticed you deleted a lot of information in the "Food" section and made it more concise: making each country's cuisine in one paragraph. I was planning of doing the same thing for the "Drink" section. Abbeyhayford (talk) 15:57, 6 March 2017 (UTC)Abbeyhayford

Introduction Paragraph
Is there a reason you deleted a lot of information from this section? I had a reference for differentiating between coconut milk and coconut water, and I believe this is important to include in this article. Even though this article isn't about coconut water, many people do not know the difference between the two, so this short addition of information is needed for the understanding of coconut milk. It can be added to the definition section, but I would like to have this information in the article. Also, the reference I found explains how coconut milk comes to be after being prepared, which is fitting for the article about coconut milk. Abbeyhayford (talk) 19:03, 6 March 2017 (UTC)Abbeyhayford
 * Having the Definition section helps with this, as do wikilinks to differentiate milk from water and cream. Getting into how to differentiate among the various liquids is not good lede material, per MOS:LEAD. I felt the reference you added, this, was not a clear description nor a good WP:RS source. --Zefr (talk) 19:11, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

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