Talk:Cocos (Keeling) Islands/Archive 1

This site is linked in failure to the German name: "Kokos Inseln" Cocos Insel (Keeling) Existent! Liegt westlich von Australien Richtung Sri Lanka im indischen Ozean Cookinseln Existent! Liegt östlich von Australien, Mitten zw AUS- und Südam. Kokosinseln Existent! Liegt westlich von Panama + bei Costa Rica gez. Bernd User:Ranjran wrote: Consolidated to one page with TOC.


 * Why? --Shallot 22:26, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Agriculture
Under "Geography" the article says


 * "The only natural resource is fish and no agriculture exists on the island."

But later we read:


 * "Grown throughout the islands, coconuts are the sole cash crop. Copra and fresh coconuts are the major export earners. Small local gardens and fishing contribute to the food supply..."


 * Most likely an inconsistency in the interpretation of 'agriculture'. I have deleted the first sentence. --Spudtater 16:14, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Government
Here is another issue:


 * "There also exists a unicameral Cocos (Keeling) Islands Shire Council with seven seats. Elections are held every two years with half the members standing for election."

How can half of seven members stand for election? Is one seat reserved in some way? Molinari 01:41, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * The term of office is four years with approximately half the membership retiring each two years.


 * I've interpreted that as meaning that elections are held every two years. However, the last election I can actually confirm as having happened was in 1993. Facts are somewhat scarce, it seems. --Spudtater 16:14, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Parenthesis
This is one of the few places that have parentheses in their official names. How did this double-name come about? --Menchi 3 July 2005 10:35 (UTC)


 * My suspicion is as a disambiguator with the other Cocos Island mentioned, but I came here to find an answer, and was disappointed. —Felix the Cassowary ( ɑe hɪː jɐ ) 11:17, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

The link to www.historyofnations.net/oceania/cocos.html says "In 1805, the British hydrographer, James Horsburgh, called them the Cocos-Keeling Islands in his sailing directory" but doesn't say where the Cocos part came from. I noted and added to the entry that these islands are almost exactly opposite from Cocos Island, Costa Rica (named previously). I presume that Horsburgh was aware of this and gave it this name as a joke, but I have been unable to verify that. I also noticed that there is a Prince Edward Island southeast of Africa that is opposite of its Canadian namesake, although not as accurately. EW 6/13/06

Cocos Islands Mutiny
See Noel Crusz, The Cocos Islands Mutiny, Fremantle Arts Centre Press, Fremantle, WA, 2001. 220.247.242.142 06:18, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Infobox
I started to fill out an infobox for the islands. It is located at Template:Country infobox data Cocos (Keeling) Islands. It is incomplete. Please feel free to fill in the blanks and transfer it to the article page. MJCdetroit 15:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Deleted text
An anon user deleted the following:

and subsequently manufactured an identity for locals to whom it gave a degree of autonomy. In the process the position of the Clunies-Ross family has been gradually, and deliberately, undermined.

Should this be restored? LarryQ 17:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Fauna
I have removed the fauna section, including fauna-specific references, from the article to a new page Fauna of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands as it was making the article somewhat clunky. Maias 02:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Straits Settlements and Singapore
"The islands were annexed to the British Empire in 1857. In 1867, their administration was placed under the Straits Settlements, which later became known as Singapore." The wording on this is rather incorrect, as I am from the former straits settlements, but I am not from Singapore. Although the reality is that the Straits settlements were broken up and Crown colony singapore formed, it doesn't mean that they are identical. Stkhoo 08:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Referendums of April 6th, 1984 and November 6th, 1999
Please anybody give me a reference on source (on this page) about self-determination referendum of April 6th, 1984 and Republican referendum on Cocos (Keeling) islands. --User:212.98.173.133 13:19 28 July 2007.

Tsunami
How badly were the island affected by the 2004 Tsunami or anything ensuing? MMetro 05:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Not at all. | According to the residents of the islands, the tsunami passed by completely unnoticed. Apparently this is because Cocos (Keeling) is an atoll surrounded by deep water, so there's no continental shelf to build up big waves.--Squirmymcphee (talk) 19:20, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

SRI LANKAN ASYLUM SEEKERS
SOMEONE NEEDS TO INCLUDE A PARAGRAPH IN THE MAIN ARTICLE RELATED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT: There are recent reports of an influx of Sri Lankans seeking asylum in Australia, landing in flimsy boats on the Cocos. Without adequate infrastructure on the islands to house and process these refugees, the Australian authorities are struggling to cope. 13 June 2012       — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.136.179.144 (talk) 02:31, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Merging transport section
It can easily be covered in this main article. LibStar (talk) 07:23, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Support merger. How do we make it so? --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Obsolete Emblem
The emblem showed is obsolete, SEE: COUNCIL OF COCOS ISLANDS SHIRE Siteweb

--Proof02 (discusión) 11:34 28 ene 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Proof02 (talk • contribs)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

Not moved. WP:SNOW. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:31, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Cocos (Keeling) Islands → — The title should be the most common form of the name (WP:COMMONNAME), and I doubt that "Cocos (Keeling) Islands" is very commonly used name. The parenthesis should be used for disambiguation reasons, but as there are no other Cocos Islands than these, there is no need to disambiguate (there is "Cocos Island", but "Cocos Islands" redirects to this article). The official name should be mentioned in the opening section, bu there is no need to insist on the official name for the title, if the official form is so uncommon. Vanjagenije (talk) 01:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Google Books search returns 24,900 hits for "Cocos Islands" and 17,300 for "Cocos (Keeling) Islands", while it returns 8,430 hits for "Keeling Islands" . This shows that "Cocos Islands" is the most commonly used form in English language and should be used for the article title, as per WP:COMMONNAME. Vanjagenije (talk) 01:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose without other evidence of local usage. This Ghits crap is getting tiresome.  Local governance is by the "Shire of Cocos (Keeling) Islands". "Cocos (Keeling) Islands" is what appears on the car registration plates, postage stamps, a coin, and on other signage in the islands.  The act transferring the islands to Australia was the Cocos (Keeling) Islands Act 1955.  The post is mailed to "Cocos (Keeling) Islands, WA."  The WA government uses this form as does the tourist bureau and other private local interests.  —   AjaxSmack   02:45, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose Pretty clear that the "(Keeling)" part is not for dab, but part of the official name. Chanheigeorge (talk) 08:29, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose The "(Keeling)" is part of the official name of the island group. See here for Geoscience Australia's listing. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 00:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. In addition to the above reasons, this the correct legal name for the territory: see the Cocos (Keeling) Islands Act 1955. --Mkativerata (talk) 00:25, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose for the same reasons as outlined by the previous editors. Dan arndt (talk) 00:52, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose pretty much in line with above, especially AjaxSmack. Frickeg (talk) 01:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose official name as explained above- and used in that form on their postage stamps etc (Crusoe8181 (talk) 01:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)).
 * Oppose, as an Australian, whenever I hear about the islands in the media, it is always as Cocos (Keeling) or some variation. I have never heard it as purely Cocos. --Roisterer (talk) 02:48, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - the name is certainly a curiosity but I have never heard them being called just Cocos Islands. If you look at the local council's website, it is clear that this is the official name. Plus the proposed name would be quite close to some of the other Cocos (Coco Islands, Cocos Island, Cocos Island (Guam)).
 * Oppose Cocos Islands is in effect a colloquial name so it's not surprising it gets more hits, but Cocos (Keeling) Islands are the correct legal name. Orderinchaos 09:49, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose as per others. The nominator is correct that WP:COMMONNAME applies, but the common name is Cocos (Keeling) Islands. --AussieLegend (talk) 15:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose, and I'd dispute the cite of WP:COMMONNAME. I've never heard it as just "Cocos"; I've only ever seen it written "Cocos (Keeling)" or "Cocos-Keeling". Night w (talk) 09:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose in line with most comments made above - never seen it in the hard paper Indian Ocean bibliographies that I have dealt with have it as Cocos only SatuSuro 13:17, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Etymology
Although not explicitly stated, it's easy to surmise why they were named the Keeling Islands. But where did the Cocos name come from? Was that a Malay or another Asian-language name for the atoll? --GentlemanGhost (talk) 20:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Wrong translation
Maju Pulu Kita is not "Our developed island" but "Onward our Island". 222.164.120.160 (talk) 13:02, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

source
James Cogan has written for the World Socialist Web Site that airbase construction at Cocos is one component of Obama's "pivot" towards Asia, facilitating control the sea lanes between the Indian and Pacific Oceans and potentially allowing US forces to enforce a blockade against China.[19] (emphasis mine)

the world socialist web site as a source? seriously? 76.168.166.62 (talk) 22:44, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

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Two Files/articles
The islands occur as two files in Wikipedia. One under Cocos Islands and the other Cocos (Keeling) Islands. One in the Pacific and the other in the Indian Ocean. Osborne 20:10, 29 January 2014 (UTC) My addition here refers to the Islands in the Indian Ocean - correct file (Is "File" the best name - I think not but am getting fussed!)

Merge transport article
It's been five years since the proposal to merge Transport in the Cocos (Keeling) Islands into Cocos (Keeling) Islands and no one has objected. I propose to go ahead with this now. Kendall-K1 (talk) 19:58, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Antipodes
I've removed this sentence:
 * Cocos (Keeling) Island is located on the opposite side of the globe from Corn Island, Nicaragua, relatively close to Cocos Island, Costa Rica.

It's trivia, unless someone is implying the Australian islands are named after the Costa Rican one, in which case it's just plain wrong. jnestorius(talk) 07:21, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2016
Maju Pulu Kita is more accurately translated as Onwards our island (similar to how Majulah Singapura is Onward Singapore)

122.200.1.153 (talk) 15:14, 1 May 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ Stick to sources!  Paine   03:04, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Feudal style
I noticed that the phrase "feudal style" was edited out of the section regarding the transfer to Australia, which originally read as follows: In the 1970s, the Australian government's dissatisfaction with the Clunies-Ross feudal style of rule of the island increased. I think "feudal" is actually a pretty good description of why Clunies-Ross rule came to seem anachronistic and problematic, even if it wasn't literally feudalism in the medieval European sense. If others agree, perhaps we might revert this change? Laughing sandbags (talk) 16:34, 28 June 2016 (UTC)


 * As it is in the source used, it seems appropriate to me. CMD (talk) 16:38, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

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27 or 25
What is total number of islands? In first section text - 27, in table - 24 (+ North Keeling is 25th).-- Anatoliy  ( Talk ) 13:26, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

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