Talk:Cod fisheries

Atlantic Cod stock collapse
May I suggest that the following is changed to "Northwest atlantic cod stocks where severely overfished..."?

I find the middle right hand example more exact then the top right hand example, since the northeast atlantic cod have yet to really collapse from what I can understand.

An other option would be the bottom right example.



Luredreier 12:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is better. Thank you. (It would have been fine if you had just made the change yourself). --Epipelagic (talk) 21:39, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Modern fishing methods and the fishery collapse
The article states, drawing on an article in an environmental magazine:


 * In 1951 factory fishing began with new super-trawlers such as the 'Fairtry'; 280 feet long and 2,600 gross tons

This seems to contain several errors. According to Jack Campbell, The Fairtry Experiment (1995), the experimental "Fairfree" sailed from the Clyde to Newfoundland in 1949 (p 26). But it was a converted minesweeper of 1500 tons (p 14). The description does nearly fit the "Fairtry", which was 246 feet long and 2605 tons gross . But the "Fairtry" was not completed until April 1954 (same and Campbell p 43).

The source article also mis-describes the "Fairtry" in other ways. It says: "It's[sic] superstructure, tall funnels and numerous portholes, suggested an ocean-going passenger liner". However, the "Fairtry" had a low, sweeping superstructure and a single, low and long funnel. And there were two rows of portholes, many fewer than one might expect of an "ocean-going passenger liner".

Yet, with its sweeping lines, the "Fairtry" was beautiful. John Cormie, the chief draughtsman at John Lewis, took his small grandson (myself) to the quayside to see it while it was fitting out and declared with immense pride: "I designed that!". He also said that it was called the "Fairtry" by way of it being a "fair try" at a new type of design. In the illustrations to Campbell's book, John Cormie is the man in a light-coloured coat standing behind Mrs Harper Gow as she prepares to name and launch. --Wikiain (talk) 23:19, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

this process stinks
The second paragraph in the Endangered Status section chronicles the process of assigning endangered status. The information appears factual, but the facts presented are biased toward discreting the process in question. For example the quote, "this process stinks". — Preceding unsigned comment added by ALittleSlow (talk • contribs) 16:14, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Lack of objectiveness/weasel words
From the "Collapse..." section:

"Considering the importance of the cod fishery to the livelihood of Canada's coastal communities, as well as the Northern Cod's initial abundance in the region,[50] the fact that the fishery was mismanaged to the extent of collapse – from which to this day it has not recovered – is nothing short of shocking.

In an attempt to make sense of a blunder of such epic proportion, academics have highlighted the following three contributing factors in the eventual collapse of the cod fishery"

How are the phrases "nothing short of shocking" and "a blunder of such epic proportion" even remotely objective? Sounds like weasel words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.110.238 (talk) 01:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

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No evidence Basques reached New World before Columbus
Please stop repeating that. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the Basques were fishing off Newfoundland before Columbus reached the New World. Kurlansky provides no evidence at all for that spurious claim. ST1849 (talk) 16:30, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * "Both the earliest known voyages with French Basque participation to Terranova (1517 and after) and the earliest known Spanish Basque voyages (1532 and after) were for cod" (Barkham, 1994 book review of Basque Whaling in the 16th century by Jean-Pierre Proulx, p. 277. ST1849 (talk) 17:02, 30 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Well there is evidence of sorts – see, for example, History of Basque whaling. The only counter you have provided so far are passionate declamations and an obscure book review someone wrote in 1994. Is your book review available online? — Epipelagic (talk) 21:37, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * How the hell is that evidence? Those are just claims all made after the goddamn fact! What are you talking about????? I already answered your goddamn question. Don't be lazy. ST1849 (talk) 23:51, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Where is this "evidence of sorts"? I don't see it. Where is it? Please point it out to me? ST1849 (talk) 00:01, 1 July 2022 (UTC)