Talk:Cognitive retention therapy

More Studies
I am searching for more supporting studies, please add summaries or requests for summarization and I will be happy to do the work.-Chris Ashby | Talk 21:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I suggest that the "Summary of article" section actually include a reference to the article in question, and possibly be re-titled to something like "Research supporting CRT" DanD (talk) 02:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * One way to restructure this is to use the review article as a primary source - something along the lines of "cognitive therapies for neurological disorders" and include the details on the Cognitive Retention strategy.  Then, add more content on some of the other therapies mentioned so that it is a neutral point of view.  --Chrispounds (talk) 17:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * OK good suggestions, i will work on doing that tomorrow afternoon. Please feel free to help me re-structure it so that i am not the only main contributor. --Chris Ashby | Talk 00:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I have found a few more references that i will try to add soon also, articles on CRT in several magazines and publications, i need to research how to properly cite the references as most of them are not on the web.-Chris Ashby | Talk 00:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * See citing sources. From my point of view the article still sounds much like propaganda, begining by mentioning that is a trade mark (no need for that).To cite peer-review journals is a good idea to use diberris tool. See: . You just have to add the pubmed number and it gives the citation template.--Garrondo (talk) 13:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Alright here is another much more unbiased approach, tell me if you think this is better. Cognitive therapies for dementia -Chris Ashby | Talk 18:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Introduction
Some of this info may be better new sections. When the prose refers to 'many examples of' etc, more than one citation has to be found (I would say 3 when the language refers to an abundance). Facts are always better than hyperbole. --Matt Lewis (talk) 22:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Cognitive Stimulation Therapy
Explain how CRT is linked to this. Also, this needs its own page. --Matt Lewis (talk) 22:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * CST is basically the science behind some of what CRT or the Ashby Method is, alot of the exercises in the program are classified as CST. CST is not specific for dementia, it is basically exactly what the words say, cognitive stimulation.

I agree it does need its own page, i will make it soon.

Merge
I think it would be a good idea to merge the Cognitive therapies for dementia article with Rehabilitation (neuropsychology). In this article it talks about rehabilitation on ADHD and concusion, but nothing on dementia. I don´t know how to merge; but if you believe its a good idea maybe somebody may be able to help you.
 * This is not a bad idea, may be just as simple as moving my article into Rehabilitation (neuropsychology). I don’t know how to do redirects and that sort of thing, a bit more discussion about this would be good.

Apart from that please provide a citation for the sentence "reverts alzheimer two years". It´s a really strong sentences and to be sincere I don´t really believe it (and I am a neuropsychologist, so I know what I´m talking about). If you don´t provide a citation I will eliminate that sentence. --Garrondo (talk) 09:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I wonder if we could include CBT in this section as well. CBT is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and google scholar does have some articles regarding dementia and CBT. It could be good to add!Brandilandy (talk) 16:54, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Help Formating Data
Here is the data supporting that statement Garrondo, it is not online anywhere yet, it will be on the Crtcare website soon but not yet. This only shows 1 year with a maximum improvement in MMSE of 5 points, which is almost 2 years of "normal" decline not including what they did NOT go down... There is a formal clinical study underway, there should be preliminary results by August. The statement may be too strong without the formal study, i will change it to 1 year as that is the data we have (it is now over 2 years since the start of this internal study, the patient #1 with a starting score of 17 still has a score of 18 on his last MMSE, which is still higher then when he started but i have no external verification for that) Or what about this sentence "CRT has been able to demonstrate resistance to further cognitive decline but more importantly, display a measurable cognitive improvement" or something like that.

Collected MMSE Scoring Baseline to 12 Months (Multi-site collected data) Patient #		Baseline MMSE	3 Months	6 Months	9 Months	12 Months 1		17	22	22	21	21 2		21	23	22	23	22 3		24	26	27	26	25 4		22	26	26	26	25 5		21	21	22	22	21 6		26	28	28	27	27 7		25	29	28	28	29 8		26	27	28	28	27 9		24	24	25	25	25 10		21	23	24	22	22 11		19	22	23	22	23 12		20	22	21	22	23 13		23	25	26	27	26 14		27	29	28	28	28 15		26	29	28	28	27 16		26	28	28	27	29 17		24	26	27	27	27 18		23	22	22	23	21 19		19	22	21	21	21 20		26	27	27	28	27 21		25	27	28	28	28 22		21	22	23	23	23 23		26	28	28	29	29 24		27	28	29	28	28 25		17	21	22	22	22 26		19	21	22	22	23 27		16	17	17	17	18 28		21	23	24	24	24 29		25	27	25	25	26 30		23	22	23	23	22 31		20	23	23	21	22 32		21	22	24	21	22 33		26	29	28	29	29 34		19	20	20	21	22 35		21	21	23	23	22 36		25	25	24	24	25 37		22	24	24	24	23 38		21	22	22	23	23 39		25	27	28	27	28 40		27	29	29	28	26 41		20	20	21	21	21 42		24	25	25	25	26 43		19	22	23	22	22 44		19	20	21	22	22 45		26	29	29	28	29 46		24	25	25	25	26 47		22	23	24	24	24 48		20	20	21	21	21 49		20	21	21	22	22 50		21	23	23	23	23

[[Image:CRTGraph.jpg|thumb|250px|Click for source of Data.]


 * The thing is that until that research is not published in a scientific journal you can not name it at all as it clearly original research See: No original research. Sorry but you will have to wait to make that kind of staments. --Garrondo (talk) 13:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Grandparent Magazine
Cognitive Retention Therapy has been featured in Grandparent magazine with a fantastic article about Adam Connor.
 * Grandparent Magazine -- Current Issue -Chris Ashby | Talk 19:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * From my point of view there has to be an equilibrium between the deepness of an article and the quality and quantity of the refs given. First quality refs in medical articles are mostly peer-review journals. You dont provide any of this so I dont believe there is much more you can say on CRT whitout looking like propaganda. Its true you have provided some articles but they seem to be commercial pre-paid articles. You can simply add that article to the positeve feedback line as a reference but nothing more. If you really want to collaborate with wikipedia edit other related articles (alzheimer, neuropsychology...) and do not only edit your product article. --Garrondo (talk) 09:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

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