Talk:Coimbatore/Archive 1

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I will try to give as much as references possible. and let all try to make this as a star rated article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chidambaram mech04 (talk • contribs) 14:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC) I want to bring some volunteers from my egroup http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/coimbatore to take part in Coimbatore wikipedia project.

Chella 04:58, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Page title
Koyamutthoor? Why has this page been moved? Koyamutthoor gets 4 Google hits, compared to 309,000 for Coimbatore. Angela. 08:44, May 2, 2004 (UTC)


 * An anon user tried to move it back using cut and paste so I've merged the page histories back together, and returned it to this title (Coimbatore) as there was no explanation for the move. Angela. 09:42, 31 May 2004 (UTC)

Now OK
Dear Angela it is fine now. Thanks for avoiding confusing names. I like your wit..ie ref no of google searches for the term!

Chella 14:36, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Educational Institutions
info about colleges and make a new section for it. The article seems biased towards TNAU. Arunkrishnan 11:00, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Its been mentioned that there are many colleges in coimbatore but no seperate section is devoted to education. I'll try to get as much
 * The other name for coimbatore like "koyamuthur" and "kovai" can be mentioned in the intro section

I would like to move the higher education paragraph above the schools paragragh, that I think would give better impression of coimbatore's education at a glance--Praveen chandar (talk) 17:09, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Not done. The aim of wikipedia is not to make any city/subject look good. It is to present the information in a logically arranged manner. The education section moves from schools to colleges and universities as it is logical. We do not try to give "better impression" of any city here. We just present all relevant information. This is an encyclopedia and not the city website.--Sodabottle (talk) 17:36, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Not sure if I agree with ur point that its only logical to arrange the education section in school->college->uni order because thats how study progresses. Okay i agree, I shouldnt have said about creating impression, its about stating the facts. But why not state the universities in front of schools?! (its just like stating the national highways in front of the local roads) please check the any city, for example coventry or london. anyways its only a matter of openion. there are many other things to fix with the article anyways --Praveen chandar (talk) 22:29, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I am not averse to changing the order. Now that i think of it, the only reason i put it in that order was because there was a main article "schools of coimbatore" and i started writing from that line. I realise what i termed is logic is only my subjective opinion. Go ahead and change the order if you want, i have no objection. Like you said there is a lot of fix here :-) Over the past year, i have been going section to section sourcing and trimming. Economy, Geography, Environment and Sports/recreation i haven't touched so far and those need the attention most.--Sodabottle (talk) 04:11, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I've swapped those sub-sections. but do u know how to change the title of the main article? I think it would be better to change the title of the linked article "List of schools..." to "List of educational institutions..." --Praveen chandar (talk) 09:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

more info needed
On history, demographics,industry, cuisine etc. Would love to make it equal to chennai page. Arunkrishnan 11:08, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Go ahead and make it a featured article!

Improvements
This entire article is incoherent nonsense. This page needs more information about the history and culture of Coimbatore and less information about how well the city is suited for IT outsourcing. Parts of the page have even been degaded into cheap advertising. I would like to see this develop into an authoritative and useful article,like the Chennai page. Will try to push it in that direction as much as I can. --Dstar2 18:22, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I took a stab at improving the grammar and tone in the introduction paragraph and the History section. However there was almost nothing there for the period after India's indpendence. Someone who is interested in the subject should fill that out a bit. WmLGann 14:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

How many language
It appears strange: in how many languages one will write the name of the article - one, two or all languages of India. --Bhadani 15:59, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Legend has it that coimbatore was originally known as "Koni-amman-putthur".

Coimbatore Exporters/Manufactures - Some of them

 * - Some exporters/manufacturers of Coimbatore listed here

References and Pictures
We need more references and pictures. Please do not add pictures obtained from image searches on the internet. The article is beginning to take shape. ɤіɡʍаɦɤʘʟʟ 00:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Help needed with this image
Can somebody please replace this image with something more clear and small :)  Jisha  (Talk)

Spirituality
Someone has added a section on spirituality. I do not believe that Coimbatore is "known" for spirituality, at least thats not what it is best known for. Also, I do not think this needs a separate section. Need some help from someone with insight into this subject. ɤіɡʍаɦɤʘʟʟ 17:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I have edited and merged the text with the Culture section. I'm still not sure about the "Siddhar" stuff. Need good reason (and references) to keep the lines in. ɤіɡʍаɦɤʘʟʟ 18:05, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

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Removed unwanted lists
Hello all, I have removed the extensive ATM location lists and the long list of Educational Instutions.Anybody arguing for such lists should bear in mind that Wikipedia is not the place for listing more than what is revelant/information for an encyclopedia.And those friends should remember that no one is going to waste their time in reading what ATM/School /college is where or what?.If that user feels the need to communicate such information,then its better recommended to start his own page (a free server) and put those information there.

People who come to these pages are intrested only in the brief info/history/ and to get a taste of what the place is ..so on...about the city,and such boring lists will be a real turn off any new visiting reader.Southernstar (talk) 16:31, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good done. I am also getting tired of seeing these useless lists for most of the cities/towns of India.--GDibyendu (talk) 15:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have removed the some external links to the blog and some RSS feeds about coimbatore. I think this is not relevant to an encyclopedia --Anoopan (talk) 11:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

logic behind 2nd largest city
Coimbatore is the second largest city in Tamil Nadu the by population. (According to the 2001 census and the 2010 estimated population of worldstatesman.org). Since in wikipedia, population is used to determine size, Coimbatore edges out Madurai for the second place. This is about the city and the population for both cities are those within city limits. This might change by 2011 when the next census is taken, or due to change in city limits (which has not been finalized for both the cities). But till then Coimbatore remains no 2.--Sodabottle (talk) 03:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

MOVING UNREFERENCED SECTION HERE TILL I CAN SOURCE AND ADD THE INFORMATION EITHER TO A NEW ARTICLE OR TO THE CULTURE SECTION

Religious sites
The city has several major temples: Marudamalai, Perur, Annur, Sidhapudur Ayyappan Kovvil, Karamadai, Kooniamman Temple, Bathrakali Amman Kovil and Arulmigu Vazhai Thottathu Ayyan Temple,'''Thandu mariamman kovil.

Marudamalai
The word "Marudhachalapathy" or "Maruthamalai Andavar" means Master of Hills, abounding in Marudha trees. The name has also a legendary origin. A Siddha, overcome by excessive thirst and exhaustion, sought shelter under the shade of a Marudha tree and prayed to the mercy of the Lord Muruga for a shower of water, which sprang at once as though by a miracle from beneath the tree. As water gushed out from the roots of the marudha tree, the Siddha leaped in joy, glorifying Muruga as the Lord of "Marudha" and "Jalam" (water) with the passage of time, "Marudhajalapathi" became "Marudhachalapathy".

In due course it became 'Marudamalai'. History has it that Pambatti Siddhar, was originally a snake charmer and was initiated into the world of philosophy by a Siddhar by name Sattai munivar. Pambatti Siddhar is said to have performed several miracles, and written extensively on herbal medicine. His songs are addressed to snakes.

Location of the temple: Sri Subramanyasami temple is located at Marudamalai, 13 km North - West of Coimbatore, Industrial city of Tamil Nadu, India.

Perur
The Garbagraha of this temple was built by Karikala Chola in the early Hindu era. It is a Shiva shrine with a Swayambumoorthy.

The Sthalapuranam (local folklore) states that when the calf of divine cow Kamadhenu was playing in the forest of arasu trees, its legs plunged into a hard object from which blood gushed out. It was discovered that the object was nothing but a sacred Siva Lingam. This led a temple to be built here. It was built over the Moolasthanam and worshipped by the Saivaites. The place became a Vaipu Sthalam in Saivalore. It is one of the few temples in Kongunadu which figures in the Devaram by Saint Appar and Saint Sundarar. The temple is located in Perur, 6 km from Coimbatore on the Siruvani main road, on the banks of the Noyyal river.

Lord Nataraja and His Natya Sabha is worth seeing here. The statues in this mantapam are very beautiful. The veins of the dancers in the statues can be seen. Nataraja's festival, Arudhra Dharsanam, is one of the important festivals celebrated here. It occurs on the full moon day in the Tamil month of Marghazhi (Dec-Jan).

Sri Santhalinga Mutt, also known as Arulmigu Santhalingar Thirumadam, is one of the ancient Virasaiva mutts established by Sri Santhalinga Swamigal. The mutt now provides quality education, religious services and services to the poor and needy. It has done yeoman service for development of Tamil and use of Tamil in temple worship.

Annur
The Manneswara Temple is located here. This Temple of Shiva was built by a Chera King around 1000 years ago. It is believed that a hunter was digging the roots of a tapiaco tree to pull it down. He was surprised to see blood gushing out of the root. He later found a 'Lingam' beneath the tree. On hearing this, the King built a temple here. The uniqueness of this temple is that it faces was 'Markandeya', a staunch devotee worshipped the 'Linga' enshrined here, it is believed. And this Linga is 'Suyambu Linga' that means natural one.

Karamadai
Dedicated to Lord Ranganatha, this is the second oldest temple in Coimbatore. It was built by the Vijayanagara Kings. The Temple attracts a large concourse of people from throughout the land. The famous Ranganathar temple in karamadai is an easy destination for the people of Coimbatore, Tirupur, Annur, Ooty, Metupalayam etc.

The 'Thottiyars' clan of people lived at Karamadai. A cow of one of the thottiars failed to yield milk all of a sudden. He found out that the cow was shedding milk at a bush. Enraged, he started to cut it and heard an exploding sound and saw blood gushing from inside. On hearing this, Bhattar Family and the other people in the village came there and found a 'Suyambu Lingam' inside the bush. The same night God appeared in the dream of him and asked him to adorn the 'Lingam' with 'Chandana Kaapu'.and it is very near to periyanayakkan palayam.

Vellalore
Vellalore Has old and big temples such as Theneeswarar temple, Thiru Karavaratharaja perumal temple , Periya vinayagar temple e.t.c. This is the second largest Village in India.

Vana Bathrakali Amman Koil (Kali Temple)
This is one of the oldest temples in Coimbatore. It is on the banks of the Bhavani River. The goddess' name is "Vana Bhadrakali Amman".

This temple attracts lot of devotes on new moon days (amavasayai). Thousands of devotees gather here during these days.

Echanari Vinayagar Temple
Echanari Pillayar Temple on Pollachi road, situated on the outskirts of the city is popular for its large Pillayar idol.


 * There is a mention of the dhyanalingam temple in the religion section. The problem is all these temples and the yoga centre are far outside coimbatore city/urban agglomeration limits and they cannot be described in detail here. This article is about the city.--Sodabottle (talk) 17:18, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Pictures
Hi, The image taken from Avinashi road, doesn't talk much about coimbatore. Almost 25% of the image is covered by a building and rest by some greeneries. Can some one combine all the landmarks of Kovai in one image and put it there.? That will give a good look and will speak much about kovai. Also can include the Classical tamil Conference emblem. Wasifwasif (talk) 12:22, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * No need for the classical tamil conference emblem (its temporary after all. after this week it will be forgotten). But you are right about the need for a better montage. Its a long term project of mine. working on that. Maybe within a few weeks, will produce a good montage.

Native scripts
(I am adding this here because of the IPs who keep adding Malayalam and Hindi scripts) Tamil script is enough for this article. The name "Coimbatore" comes from Tamil and the language is spoken by the overwhelming majority. The Malayalam and Hindi speakers are a small minority in the city. No need to include those scripts too.--Sodabottle (talk) 15:26, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Sister cities
It would be better to mention the "sister city" agreements that Coimbatore has with the cities from different parts of the world. This would project that the city is more integrated internationally. One sister city I came across which has an association with cbe is Toledo, Ohio. reference : http://toledoblade.com/article/20110214/NEWS16/102130351/-1/SRMAIN --Praveen chandar (talk) 17:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I have added Toledo. But couldnt find any other sister cities. if there any more please list them here with sources and i will add them--Sodabottle (talk) 17:33, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Information technology and BPO
it would be better to give some figures like - the IT exports from the city for year 2010 was Rs.710.66 crore and the exports are witnessing a 90% growth. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Bosch-picks-up-1-lakh-sqft-space-in-Coimbatore/articleshow/7489934.cms

Aslo worth removing "the IT industruy is nascent compared to textiles.." line.--Praveen chandar (talk) 17:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Both done.--Sodabottle (talk) 17:47, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Create a new section - Tourism?
A new section highlighting the main tourist spots in and around cbe may be useful. It may include I dont know the details/references, I only know the outline:). so somebody who knows the stuff more in detail may contribute! --Praveen chandar (talk) 10:57, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * theme parks - cbe has around 6 theme parks in its vicinity -http://coimbatore.justdial.com/amusement-parks_Coimbatore.html
 * prominent temples - perur, marudamalai, eechanari
 * water falls near cbe like siruvani, monkey falls,etc?
 * may also cite cbe's vicinity to the forest reserves near by- anamalai/ mudumalai, nilgiris bio reserve park?
 * anything else?

Too many details
As I look into the article, the article has too many details about schools, colleges and ATMs. These details can be put some where else. What do you say? Guruparan18 (talk) 11:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Second Largest City
A guy called Sodabottle has reverted my changes without proper explanation. Coimbatore is second largest by any means. No need to mention "by population". I took the reference from Madurai page and added it to Coimbatore page. This reference has city limits. So, Coimbatore is second largest in both population and area. Give proper reason before making any change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomatofarm (talk • contribs) 18:58, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * My revert was by mistake, i was reverting back a previous edit and undid yours by mistake. I have no problem with removing the "by population" qualifier. It was inserted by me before the recent expansion of city limits, because of edit warring by IPs, who insisted that area should be used for "largest city". You can find my posts regarding this in the talk page above.--Sodabottle (talk) 19:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Competitive City list
Guys, I added more intro to Coimbatore. Coimbatore ranking in the competitive city list and the importance of the city in the western tamilnadu were added to present Coimbatore in a better manner. Also, kongu nadu cannot be restricted to coimbatore region alone. It refers to entire western tamilnadu, so i removed the word kongunadu from the region ruled by kovan - Tomatofarm (talk) 00:17, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

District websites have older data
This is transition period. A decade ago, Madurai was second largest in TamilNadu. So a lot of websites will tell Madurai as second largest. But during last decade, Coimbatore population grew rapidly and became second largest. To support this, we have population figures from official census and area figures from prominent newspaper. We should be able to derive conclusion from these two. We know how frequently the government websites are updated. The history pages of Corporations and Districts websites were created decade ago and they still contain the same old data. I don't think they will update the page for another couple of years. Even some of the tour websites say Madurai is second largest. These are outdated. Wikipedia should contain latest data - Boss2boss (talk) 03:14, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Agree. Even with pre-expansion 2001 population statistics (both corporation and urban agglomeration) Coimbatore is second largest. And the coimbatore district handbook hasnt been updated for a long time.--Sodabottle (talk) 05:09, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * By every parameter, Coimbatore is the second largest and Madurai comes next. Here is a comparison to put this issue to rest once and for all.


 * Additional sources - --Sodabottle (talk) 05:57, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Update:Small changes in the expansion plan. Vellalore, Chinniampalayam and Perur have been dropped from the proposed expansion (-31,634 pop) but Vellakinar and chinnavedampatti have been added to it (+19958) resulting in a net loss of 11,676 people. So, post expansion the population would be 1,250,446--Sodabottle (talk) 10:35, 23 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Area lost : Vellalore (16.64), Chinniampalayam ( 9.27), Perur ( 6.40) = -32.31 sq.km
 * Area gained : Vellakinar (9.20), Chennavedampatti (4.5) = +13.7 sq. km
 * Total area change: - 18.61 sq km.
 * Post expansion area : 246.75 sq km.

Sources: Area, Population and Density of Cities and Towns of India – 2001

The 2011 provisional census data is out, but only for the pre expansion corp limits and not for the smaller local bodies which have since been absorbed into the city limits. The 2011 UA population is 2,151,466 and corporation limits population is |work=censusindia|publisher=The Registrar General & Census Commissioner, India 1,061,447 (pre expansion)--Sodabottle (talk) 08:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

to be updated
After Oct 17, sources: --Sodabottle (talk) 07:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * New corp limits + population
 * ward nos, zones, mayor, mayor electoral system

Here is some information on the Wards and Zones under the expanded City Corporation. This is a news article from The Hindu.. http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Coimbatore/article2475762.ece — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.82.17.39 (talk) 19:33, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

History Cleanup
None of the references cited say, coimbatore was ruled by Tanjore Nayaks. It is well known that this region was ruled by Madurai Nayaks. Ravichandar84 can add this after citing proper reference which explicitly says, Tanjore Nayaks once ruled Coimbatore. The Irula references are also very confusing. One reference mentions "sixteenth to eighteenth centuries AD during the reign of chola king Kulothunga". We know about various Kulothunga kings of Chola dynasty. All those kings belong to 11th and 12th centuries AD. Chola kingdom never existed during sixteenth and eighteenth centuries. Hence this reference cannot be taken as the right one. Another reference says, Irula chieftain of 12th century. Coimbatore and its surroundings were ruled by Cholas during that time. Local vassals of cholas known as kongu cholas ruled the region from 10th to 13th century. Then when did Koyan rule ? All these point to contradictory time sources. Koyan may be a Chola chieftain also. Hence I removed the time period and the tribal name. I have just included the name Koyan. Ravichandar84 can revert the editions after explaining these - Boss2boss (talk) 16:39, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand that your doubts are based on this source. But then this assertation is also supported by Kamil Zvelebil's The Irula Language. Probably, Alan Barnard intends to say that Cholapurvapattinam was written between the 16th and 18th centuries not that Kulothunga Chola ruled in the 16th-18th centuries. And by the way, I strongly urge you not to remove sourced stuff.- Ravi My Tea Kadai 18:30, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I've modified the claim accordingly. According to this article from The Hindu, Kovan lived in the 9th century AD. That Koval was an Irula and that the legend concerning him is mentioned in te Cholapurvanpattiban has been established from Kamil Zvelevil's book. Whether Kovan was a contemporary of Kulothinga Chola is yet to established with reliable sources.- Ravi My Tea Kadai 19:22, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Ravi, your statement is self-contradictory. Here you have accepted that Kovan lived in 9th century AD. But you have mentioned 12th century AD in the article. In fact, both cannot be true as Western Gangas ruled this region before Cholas captured it from them. Then when did Kovan rule ? His clan is also not clearly established. Notable archaeologist R. Nagaswamy mentions Kovan as a Vellala chieftain and he shows stone inscriptions around coimbatore to support his argument. So, who is Kovan ? Is he Irula or Vellala or Chola ? Which one to beleive ? Stone inscription or oral tribal song ? Important point here is, how coimbatore got its name and not its creator's clan or time period. It got the name from a chieftain called Kovan. We cannot clearly establish his clan and his time period. Then, why you want to mention those ? I think, just the name Kovan should be enough and fine for this history section - Boss2boss (talk) 00:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Correction! I have not added the 12th century AD date. I just rewrote the lead which is, of course, based on the article itself. I retained the 12th century AD date because the discussion is still on. Kamil Zvelebil is a scholar with an international reputation. Hence, his claims do stand good. And then, where does R. Nagaswamy claim that Koyan was a Vellala? Can you please provide sources?- Ravi My Tea Kadai 02:08, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, citations for Nagasamy's claim please. If there are contradictory statements in the scholarly world, it is our practice to mention both with relevant weightage. We dont remove stuff because different scholars have different views.--Sodabottle (talk) 05:25, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree with your point that it is our practice to mention both with relevant weightage. But not in this case where people try to include their caste names in the city articles. If we allow caste names now, then people will start pushing their caste names for all historic personalities. We cannot resist when people include caste names for mysore kings, nayaks, dheeran chinnamalai etc etc. At some point, entire history section will be filled with caste names. By the way, here is my reference which claims Kovan as a Vellala.] I have included this as an image and is taken from R. Nagaswamy's publication on Kongu Nadu. I prefer not to include Kovan as a Vellala or Irula or both. I am okay to include time period but not caste. The Hindu article [] is good enough as it mentions just Kovan. Sodabottle, What is your opinion? - Boss2boss (talk) 22:36, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * First things first - That upload will be deleted as screenshots of websites would be the copyright of the website designer/owner. So "own work" wouldnt apply to it. So if you can back it up in some external file storage site / or find a permalink to the site we can preserve it without fear of deletion


 * My opinion is lets not sanitize caste names. We have two recognised scholars - zvelebil and Nagasamy putting forward different views on Kovan's background. Why not include both as a single line - within paranthesis "claimed as a Irula by Kamil Zvelebil and as a Vellalla by R. Nagaswamy", with footnotes from sources. I am not sure where the fear about other caste names comes in - Mysore kings, Nayaks, dheeran chinnamalai didnt provide their name to the city right. We shouldnt be shying away from caste, we should be handling it neutrally as we do other potentially controversial things. So far we have been pretty much level headed in this discussion. I have seen caste articles cause a lots of controversies and edit wars and to me this seems to be a very very mild one.--Sodabottle (talk) 05:46, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I will remove the screenshot and move it to some storage site. I think you didn't get my point right. mysore kings, nayaks, dheeran chinnamalai didn't provide name to city but they are also part of history of coimbatore. My concern is, if you allow caste name for kovan, you cannot stop people including caste names for other historic personalities. Yes, we cannot shy away from caste but we ourselves should not show path for others to include caste names.

Coming back to history cleanup, how are kossar tribe related to coimbatore city ? They may be associated with kongu nadu region but this doesn't contribute specifically to the history of city. Nothing is mentioned about sangam cheras who ruled this region first. Why it is specifically mentioned "telugu speaking" nayaks ? Everyone knew nayaks from vijayanagara are of telugu origin. Can we start including tamil speaking cholas, tamil/malayalam speaking cheras, kannada speaking mysore kings etc ? It is better to remove these language connections also - Boss2boss (talk) 04:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)


 * hmm - you might have a point about adding caste descriptors. But do note, that the info has been here for two years and hasn't lead to any caste edit wars. But the others have their own articles and they are blue linked. Kovan doesn't have one. I would suggest add the Irula/Vellalar thing to a footnote - we have the info, so add them to foot notes.


 * I will remove the "telugu speaking" part. Regarding Kossars and Sangam cheras. Both need to be present. Till 1800 we have been giving the history of the region so no need to remove the kossar stuff - add Sangam Cheras as well.--Sodabottle (talk) 04:41, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

The older version is, indeed, good. User:Boss2boss, the discussion is only about whether Kovan was an Irula or a Vellala, right. Why have you been removing the 9th century date? It is not right when you simply keep reverting to a previous version; if there is some problem in the content it should be modified, not reverted.- Ravi My Tea Kadai 02:39, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

the Madurai Nayaks
//The Coimbatore region has been ruled by the Cheras, the Cholas, the later Pandyas, the Vijayanagar Empire and the Madurai Nayaks //

''However, Jesuit letters (supported by epigraphic evidence) indicate that Coimbatore and Salem were under the Nayakas only during the reign of the grat Tirumala (ob. 1659). Tirumala’s brother, Kumara-Muthu, “was carrying on wars and conquests in the Kongu region towards the end of Tirumala’s reign.”“was carrying on wars and conquests in the Kongu region towards the end of Tirumala’s reign.” Coimbatore, while acknowledging the sovereignty of the nayakas of Madura, appears to have been largely in the hands of polegars who divided the country between them.'' The continuous wars between the two regions during the epoch immediately preceding this for nearly 50 years from 1623-1672 had ended in the final annexation to Mysore of the tract surrounding Coimbatore, Karur, Erode and Dharapuram. In the reign of Chikkadeva, the Mysore dominion was firmly established over a large portion of Kongu from Palani and the Anaimalai in the south to Madagasi in the north.

http://princelystatesofindia.com/Polegars/polegars.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.193.34.193 (talk) 04:32, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Area and population
vensatry, i have undid your edits. This is my rationale.

In the infobox area and population should match. We can't put the population for a reduced area while mentioning the city size as ~250 km. This creates a data mismatch. The ideal situation should be - 2011 area and 2011 population but since we dont have 2011 population for the new area we mention the 2001 population for the same area. It is not a neat agreement but it is the best option possible. I know it gives the impression that Coimbatore's population in 2001 was larger than the official population numbers then, but i feel it is still better than creating a mismatch between area and population. And worse the mismatch carries on to the density field as well, if you use 2001 historical population. --Sodabottle (talk) 16:43, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

And i have left the historical population in demographics section as 930k as it is indeed the historical population as the city was then - havent changed it--Sodabottle (talk) 16:47, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

options available for infobox currently and problems they cause:

I have chosen option 3 as i feel it is the least worst option of all five.--Sodabottle (talk) 16:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I disagree. City limits expand periodically and we I think we shouldn't add the population figures that are calculated based on the present area (Post-expansion) for the past years. If that is the case, the population of urban agglomeration would also change as more areas have been included for many cities over a period of years. For eg., Chennai had a very small area before 100 years. It was increased to 174 only before some 40 years ago. We cant say the population of the area which covers 174 sq. km before 100 years. So it's better to include only historical populations (official figures) in the infobox. The calculated figures for 2001 census (Post expansion) can be elaborated in the "Demographics section" with proper sources. -- Commander (Ping Me) 17:22, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Coming to data mismatch, I recommend mentioning the area of the city according to the 2001 census, till the final results are out. As these figures are only provisional, we can leave a note under "Footnotes" and explain more about it. -- Commander (Ping Me) 17:26, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * mmm seems we can't agree. let me go ask for third opinion :-) (revert me in the meanwhile if you want, i dont mind) --Sodabottle (talk) 17:34, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * We could probably take this to Wikipedia_Talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics rather than discussing it here, since this is a problem with almost all Indian cities. -- Commander (Ping Me) 17:47, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This is turning into a big headache. Why can't these census people hurry up and release some meaningful and accurate figures. Sigh, anyway, I think one thing is clear that the data needs to be in sync, because otherwise, it will spill over to density, and we'll have more problems. Till we get some official data, I think we should stick to the old area and the 2011 population for the old area (assuming such data exists). I know its inaccurate, but we don't have much accurate choices do we.
 * The whole thing is messy really, the normal reader doesn't care about 2001 or 2011 or expanded or old. No one cares to read footnotes; we just put them to satisfy ourselves that we have offered an explanation.  Lynch 7  17:53, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

I feel that 1 is better. We can have 2001 census area and pop stats in the infobox. These might also be logical as 2011 census stats have not been officially announced. To ward off people who might claim that Madurai is the 2nd largest city in TN, we might provide the 2011 provisional totals in the "Demographics" section. A sentence like this would possibly do:- " According to the provisional population totals of the 2011 India census released by the Government of India, Coimbatore had an area of .... and a population of ...". I feel that it would not be wrong to give the 2011 provisional details in the "Historical demographics" table, as New York City lists population figures from 1688 onwards - those from pre-census years obviously being estimates.- Ravi My Tea Kadai 18:05, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * But isn't it better to have an updated figure for population, regardless of the area? When we have a figure for 2011 population for the old area (correct me if I'm wrong), we can use it. Better to make some compromises on area rather than population I guess.  Lynch 7  18:12, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * But providing the area stats for 2001 and pop stats for 2011 might make it look a bit odd, isnt it. Also, the term "provisional" carries a great deal of ambiguity. Now, are these the final totals or would they change? The next-latest official pop stats is for the year 2001. Hence, why don't we use 2001 stats itself. Anyway, the infobox mentions the year in brackets, so anyone who visits the article will known that area and population figures are for 2001. If we give the 2001 area with 2011 population, then one who reads the article will surely mistake the area stats for 2011 figures.- Ravi My Tea Kadai 18:28, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Deputy Mayor
The current deputy mayor of Coimbatore is S. Leelavathi Unni and it is not Mr.N Chinnadurai. Kindly change it. References: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/deputy-mayor-of-Coimbatore http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Coimbatore/article2941557.ece Funkysajan (talk) 17:08, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

✅. Thank you for pointing out.--Sodabottle (talk) 04:22, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Annapoorna picture thumbnail is more like an advertisement
The picture of Annapoorna Restaurant looks like it is meant for advertisement purpose. Though they have many restaurants in and around Coimbatore, should it be in Wikipedia. ? --Jayabharat (talk) 17:05, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * the purpose of the image is to have some pictoral representation of a restaurant in the city for that section. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:55, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

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