Talk:Coldfire Trilogy

Capitalization consistency and article split
There are some capitalization inconsistencies in this article that I left in place because I wanted to get some opinions on them. Words that are central to the Coldfire universe, such as "fae," "adept,"working," and an occurrence of "seeing" (as in an Adept's natural ability to see the fae) are sometimes capitalized and sometimes not. I vote for creating some consistency, but I wanted the opinions of others who have read the trilogy as to whether it should be all capitalized or all lowercase.  Also, I think the "Rakh" should always be capitalized, as it's the name of the race.  I'm thinking about creating pages for these words as they relate to the trilogy as well.

Regarding the article, many of the series and trilogies here on Wiki have a page for the trilogy itself and then separate pages for each book (see Kushiel's Legacy and The Sprawl trilogy for some examples) Seeing as the person who added the book summaries put in a lot of content, I think there is enough for separate pages. I left a message on Daimtreya's (the article's creator) talk page to see what s/he thinks and if s/he'll have any additional input to give. Thoughts? FallenAngelEyes 02:29, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * can't give an opinion on the first point as i haven't read the books. as for creating seperate pages, well you might but personally when this article doesn't get too big you could also just leave it as this. the article itself is not that encylopic in my opinion, it's more a large summary. Boneyard 09:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think splitting the articles would make the pages easier to read. It's rather long reading it in one clump, especially as the summaries are quite detailed.  I threw in some more paragraph breaks which made it a bit less difficult, I think.  I gave The Sprawl trilogy as an example because I think it's a good reference as to what a trilogy and its parts should look like. If we moved all the summaries to respective pages, the main page as it is would be the same length as the main one for the Sprawl Trilogy page.  It could even be lengthier if we chose to add information about the magic system, etc. which I think would be acceptable.
 * I, too, feel that the article could be wikified a little better. I feel that sentences such as "However, just when things couldn't be better and it even seems Damien is falling in love with Ciani, something terrible happens- the Fae Shop burns with Ciani inside it" could use some improvement because they seem more of an opinion of the events that happened rather than a statement of fact, but I kept it there because I wanted to know if I was the only one who interpreted it that way. FallenAngelEyes 11:03, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, FallenAngelEyes! There is actually a article entitled Erna: Planet. Perhaps I could move the background information from this article to that one? Daimetreya
 * Okay, I finally got around to making pages for each book. I've moved the plot summaries to the each books' respective page. If someone would be able to add a spoiler-free plot summary at the beginning of each article, that would be great. It's been a bit too long since I've read them to be able to do so myself. Check this article's main page for links to each book. I've also included them in the Wikipedia Novels Wikiproject, so if anyone wants to add new sections to the pages, could you please use the article template they've outlined? Thanks a bunch! F   A   E  10:12, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Nature of Change of Fae
I guess I'm a bit confused still. My impression at the end of the trilogy was that the fae had simply been rendered able only to be accessed through sacrifice. Therefore, the miscellaneous demons wouldn't be spawned out of apprehension and fear, as there was no sacrifice, but other magics could still be performed by those willing to sacrifice themselves. The Patriarch's sacrifice of life and Gerald's sacrifice of name are major sacrifices enough to count. Was it really that a person had to die? -Fuzzy 20:51, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

There are very few other ways to sacrifice yourself, Fuzzy. -Dai
 * Not necessarily. My reading of it was that Gerald sacrificed his identity, not his life. He was still who he was before, but no longer bolstered by his reputation (in a world where thoughts take form, I imagine a large amount of his power was derived from the legendary status that people held him to) and subject to instant death should someone identify him. *shrug* Six of one, half dozen of the other, I guess. -Fuzzy 06:25, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


 * You're right. I think the link I provided leads to a site that has a FAQ about the Coldfire Trilogy where C.S. Friedman answers a few of the questions.  You could check that out.- Daimetreya

Slightly off topic but I just wanted to note that actually there are thousands of ways to "sacrifice" yourself that have little or nothing to do with death. Possibilities include giving up memories of a specific person or event, giving up some or all of your power, sacrificing others, etc... :) -Mandragor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.238.49.65 (talk) 06:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikiquote possibility?
Anyone interested in making a page on the Coldfire Trilogy in Wikiquote? Or perhaps separate pages for each book? Just a thought- Daimetreya

Yes, I think it's a good idea, I'd love to help! Ninedin 07:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal?
I noticed that When True Night Falls was nominated for deletion and the resulting decision was to merge the books into this article. However, as can be seen by the discussion at the top of the page, this would reverse the decision made to split them originally. The original article containing the information from all 3 books made this article incredibly long and unwieldy. I'm not entirely sure I agree with the decision to delete them because they contain only plot summaries, as even the individual novels in Robert Jordan's more well known Wheel of Time series contain only plot descriptions, character lists and naught else. Is that series exempt from the same standards because it is more notable? Would further efforts to improve the Coldfire Trilogy's individual book articles help the case in retaining them as is, or no? F   A   E  04:58, 19 October 2010 (UTC)


 * We could move the plots from the individual book articles here, but keep them from becoming excessively detailed. Any character descriptions could be merged together where the same character occurs in different books.  RJFJR (talk) 19:01, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

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