Talk:College Board/Archive 1

New SAT
Just read a CNN article that said CB wants to split the New SAT into separate settings. should this be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.26.120.39 (talk) 16:11, 17 December 2005


 * I doubt it just yet. If nothing happens then it would just be a random bit of information.--naryathegreat | (talk) 18:03, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Should all the AP courses be listed?
I don't see any particular reason to include the entire AP Program course listing within the College Board article. The exact same list (albeit wikified) is included in the AP Program article. Repeating the list here doesn't seem incredibly relevant to this article's subject, and if nothing else just adds unecessary length to the article. Fivre 04:35, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Criticism
I think a section should be added about critisim: both the effectiveness of its test and its its practices which try to suck every last dolar out of the students instead of helping people, especially underpriveleged students, go to college. P-unit 07:27, 2 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a repository of opinions as stated above. It is also not a forum for argument about the relative merits of an organization.Feinstein 18:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Feinstein, nice try. The College Board is such a scam it's not even funny. Everyone knows it. $10 per call, $25+ to retrieve archived scores, $25 to rush scores (as opposed to an absurd 5 week wait), more fees, and more fees. Haizum 05:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You seem to think that you deserve these services for free, however they cost money to provide. Too bad for you. Feinstein 05:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It costs $18 to send scores to a college and it takes about 5 weeks. It also costs about $18 to send a 25lb package from Philadelphia to Chicago, which takes about 4 days.  This is not a scam how?Aufs klo 03:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It takes five weeks IF they still have your scores, and that's a gamble. If it's been longer than four years, the records are archived, and that literally means they're in a box, in a warehouse, somewhere off site.  So, they have to traipse around looking for them, which they will get around to doing whenever they darn well feel like it.  They'll search a little in a bunch of years that may or may not correspond to when you actually took the exams.  Then when they don't find them, they wait for you to call them to find out.  They'll re-open the search for you if you insist, which takes another huge chunk of time.  And then, when they don't find them, you get to re-take the courses in college that you received AP credit for already.GFW (talk) 14:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Incompetence or inefficiency is not the same as a scam. Also, this is opinion or personal experience that may not be verifiable, certainly not until you uncover reliable sources to satisfy WP:BLP. It might also be worth researching why a college will not accept the original results certificate that you keep under your bed, thus getting round the alleged scam at a stroke. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 22:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

not-for-profit instead of non-profit
The College Board is a not-for-profit membership association — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.191.211.54 (talk) 20:26, 20 April 2006


 * What's the difference between non-profit and not-for-profit? Someone the Person (talk) 22:01, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Answers from an employee of the College Board
Wow, I am shocked by how blatantly obvious it is that someone from the College Board communications and marketing team has redone this article. Someone please fix it! I'd do it myself but I too am a little biased as an employee (yes, I have drank the proverbial "Kool-Aid") We're not bad at all!

First, when reviewing the history be wary of Reston, VA based IPs. While the College Board is head quarted in New York City, all our interact access come from our office in Reston, VA. Those will probably the most biased contributors to this article.

Second, we do not have an office in Princeton. We do have a vendor there that does a lot of the score reporting stuff.

Third, we are a non-profit, lots of non-profits sell products. check this article in slate about how this works, it's weird but it's how it is. http://www.slate.com/id/2220784/

Finally, google college board schools to see what great work we do!

That's it. 64.191.211.54 (talk) 14:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Coaching
According to Collegeboard's research, coaching doesn't help, and they back it up with stats. I'd recommend mentioning that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.98.60 (talk) 01:17, 29 July 2007


 * Then why do effective test prep companies, like The Princeton Review, boast average score improvements of 200+ ? Heidismiles (talk) 22:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Slow webpage loading
WHY are they so SLOW?

http://www.collegeboard.com/student/index.html?student —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.229.134 (talk) 01:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I have no idea.... 71.139.19.202 (talk) 22:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Accuplacer test
I have added the Accuplacer test that The College Board offers as a placement test. The test has been around since the mid-1980s and was missing from the Tests section. TiffaniHaynes (talk) 8:30 PM EST — Preceding undated comment added 01:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Mistake in section "Criticism" subsection "Advanced placement (AP) classes"
This section says the College Board does not explain how it does scoring. This is in fact entirely untrue for many of the exams.

The free response part (one half of the tests) of the AP Physics B and C exams is released each year, and a few months later they also release a scoring guide. (They explain how each and every point for each question was awarded.)

A similar guideline for graders is released for AP Statistics. It is probably also released for other tests as well, like Calculus and other math/science based AP exams, though I haven't looked into others.

What this sentence is probably addressing is how the English Language or History essays are graded, which is not public knowledge. I've heard there is a list of terms history graders are told to count in each essay and DBQ, and a teacher who used grade them showed me one.

Anyway, this part is very misleading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.3.66.59 (talk) 06:06, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree that the wording is misleading, but it is worth noting that when students receive exam scores, they have no knowledge as to what grades they received on free response questions, and what types of questions they missed. They only receive the final score, not even a raw score.Mpgviolist (talk) 04:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Chinese name
Here is a Chinese name, in case you want to make a Chinese article:
 * 美國大學委員會
 * "您想讓孩子學習中文嗎？趕快註冊." Epoch Times. - February 15, year not stated -- WhisperToMe (talk) 23:16, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Inappropriate citation
Citing the Monroe Community College as a reference to state that Accuplacer is used by 1,000 colleges is inappropriate. Second hand information? At the very least. Where does MCC get this statistic? Does the claim come from College Board itself? If so, is that an appropriate source for citation in this article or is it unverifiable advertising?

Oh, and the text of the wiki entry said 1,300 when the cited page at MCC said 1,000, so already we are operating in the land of specious fail. 71.202.140.109 (talk) 11:39, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Online education
I have added information for potential students considering online education. Students in the position I was, where I was required to test a considerable distance from my prospective school, are left with little options and with little information on the internet. I spent alot of fruitless time trying to find out how I could take the test. At the end I found that my local library does proctor tests for people facing this kind of situation, and that was acceptable to my school. The time I spent trying to find an option wasted time I could have used in studying for the test. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.124.189.40 (talk) 23:39, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Redundant References
References 7 and 8 are the same right now. https://archive.org/details/cu31924031758109 I would consolidate them into one reference, but I do not know how. Could someone fix this and possibly teach me how to do so? Thanks Piguy101 (talk) 02:06, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 12:01, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Question
Can non-high schoolers or colleges still take AP courses still? I mean adult classes Iamthemostwanted2015 (talk) 03:17, 3 May 2017 (UTC)Iamthemostwanted2015

Apparent vandalism by 22 May 2014 by User:TDJankins in violation of Wikipedia content policies
TDJankins made this really bizarre edit on that date which introduced numerous grammar mistakes into the article. Specifically, the article previously correctly used the correct term, "the College Board" (with the definite article). TDJankins went around deleting that and created a gigantic mess.

As experienced Wikipedians know, Wikipedia follows, it does not lead. Under WP:V, WP:NPOV, and WP:NOR, the implication is that we follow commonly used conventions; it is grossly inappropriate to deliberately attempt to use Wikipedia as a vehicle to directly advocate a change to such conventions. In this case, it has been a longstanding convention to refer to the organization as "the College Board," as rendered in virtually all its materials and in nearly all third-party test-taking guidance materials (see Google Books).

I propose either reverting back to the last good version on 22 May 2014 or reinserting "the" into the current version. Any objections?--Coolcaesar (talk) 01:48, 28 September 2015 (UTC)


 * It's been four years and to no one's surprise, User:TDJankins has been permanently banned. I am fixing User:TDJankins's vandalism of this article immediately. --Coolcaesar (talk) 06:27, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

No explanation/link for what an "FRQ" is in the Advanced Placement (AP) classes section
Third paragraph reads, "The 2020 AP test was also modified to be a duration of 45 minutes consisting of an FRQ covering only topics that most teachers had covered by early March."

This is the only appearance of "FRQ" in the article with no explanation of what the initialism means. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.64.151.144 (talk) 13:00, 27 April 2020 (UTC)


 * It's supposed to be "free response question". I've changed the article to reflect this. Thanks! ◢    Ganbaruby!    (Say hi!) 14:44, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2020
College board IS a for profit organization!!! THEY LEGITIMACY MAKE MONEY OFF THE BACKS OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS. CollegeboardL (talk) 20:11, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * CLCStudent (talk) 20:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

College Board in Puerto Rico and LatAm
https://latam.collegeboard.org/publicaciones/?tema=12&category=Gu%C3%ADas%20de%20Estudio

I know that in Puerto Rico “college board “ scores are used for admission. It is the PAA, like a Spanish SAT. You can also take the English SAT — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bamadawg (talk • contribs) 02:49, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

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no longer non-profit
If I recall correctly, the College Board is now a for-profit corporation, as changed a few years ago. Am I wrong? Phoenix-forgotten 00:11, 2005 Apr 14 (UTC)


 * Yes. The college bpard is still non-profit.  See their website.--User:naryathegreat | (talk) 02:55, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)


 * ...which is at collegeboard.com, with the .com suffix implying commerciality, so it's understandable that people believe them to be a commercial entity as that is how they present themselves on the Internet. *Dan T.* 13:57, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Considering how much they charge for archived score retrieval, I doubt they are non-profit. It's a scam. Haizum 05:21, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * And they sell books, too. I doubt it costs $50+ to print those tests. They are obviosly creating a revenue of sorts. However, they do give out scholarships (or at least claim to). Lord GS-41 18:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * CB is indeed a non-profit. collegeboard.org will resolve to the website as well and all cb employees have .org email addresses. Mrw1975 15:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Not-for-profit does not mean that you do not generate revenue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.57.153.249 (talk) 20:14, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but your revenue goes untaxed. The idea is that you put the revenue back into the organisation, and do constructive benefit to the society. John Riemann Soong 14:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Not-for-profit does not mean that the employees (usually management) cannot make a ton of money via salaries and bonuses. The only downside is the lack of stock or stock options.--kradak (talk) 15:12, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Not all not-for-profit revenue is untaxed (in the U.S.) If a not-for-profit does not qualify for 501(c)(3) or similar charitable tax status, surpluses will be taxed much as any other corporation.  .org domains are open to any organisation, regardless of legal status, purpose or (lack of) tax exemptions.  --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 21:25, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I also find college board's claim that they are non-profit to be a joke. Like other comments above, we students are charged an exorbitant amount of money for books, tests, results, and other services.--Canyouhandlethetruth (talk) 01:16, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There is no doubt to a reasonable person that the College Board is a money making machine which holds the future of education in its tentacles, but in terms of its legal status, it is "non-profit." Since we have a section on criticism, we address both facts. Liguisxack (talk) 03:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Introduction to Policy Analysis
1. Based on the information that is provided above and critiques from other Wikipedia users, this wiki page needs some updates given that some of the information on this may be a little outdated.

The college board is a not-for-profit organization which is different than a non-profit organization. Standardized tests are no longer necessary for college admissions ad some colleges and universities are no longer have a standardized testing requirement.

2. There are some grammar issues, apparently there were contributions from users that had created some grammatical errors and deleted information from the article. As well as some non-credible sources.

3. There is a criticism section which creates a biased Wikipedia page which may not be as a effective.

Questions:

1) Is there any way that the criticism section can be improved on and bring more of a neutral standpoint?

2) Are there any articles or lawsuits that can help bring policies into this conversation?

Upriscilla (talk) 09:10, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Strange Paragraph in Criticisms
There is a paragraph in the Criticisms section that doesn't fit with the rest of the section (that is, a paragraph about an effort to help Spanish speaking people into college.) 2600:1700:3672:180:64A6:F711:B167:66CD (talk) 06:53, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

"Student Search Service" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Student Search Service and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 26 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. MB 00:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Why is this page protected
. Kentc321 (talk) 23:49, 1 February 2023 (UTC)